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Apparently the good Michigan Guv'ner can't understand normal thinking and the electorate is just discovering this. She also decided in her divine wisdom that no one could use an outboard on their fishing boat. That in itself warrants an armed protest. Get rid of her next election.



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At least you have a written constitution. Try understanding the British one.
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The thing to remember "IT IS NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL, IT IS ABOUT CONTROL". I feel sad for the citizens of Canada and Australia now that they have an ANTI GUN GOVERNMENT. I have avoided Canada on three trips so far because I exercise my rights to LAWFULLY CARY A FIREARM and would not take the chance of getting arrested while in Canada. If they, anyone that restricts my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS wants me to leave my firearms at home or locked up than I don't go there. They don't need my money or any of my business. I also quit using my Bank of America Credit Card because they rejected an online purchase of a firearm. But later they called, after I wrote them a very pointed letter, that the person that rejected my purchase did not have that authority. Then tried to convince me that they would full support my purchases of firearms and ammo. I again pointed out that I do not do business with Anti Gun Companies. I found there are a few other Anti Gun credit card companies that will not support firearm manufactures by not allowing gun manufactures loans to do business with them. That is one reason I no longer do business with ****'s Sporting Goods.
We should get a list of the Anti Gun businesses and post it for Every Legal Gun Owner to see and maybe we can over time change their business practices to a gun friendly business. Go after them where it hurts them the most, THEIR MONEY.

But in saying that, if we, legal gun owners don't oppose these ridicules and completely useless anti gun laws, we might be in the same boat. We must rid our government of Radical Democrats and a few Republicans or we will loose our rights to own and use our guns. We also need to get Soros, Blumburg, Pelosi, Cummo, and there are a few others that have supported the disarming of Americans. This is one of these things that could have some very bad consequences for both side of this issue.
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I have avoided Canada on three trips so far because I exercise my rights to LAWFULLY CARY A FIREARM
But presumably, your "rights" are only rights in the United States, not in Canada or other sovereign nations. Ofcourse, the upside of this is that you will never have to endure going to Scotland.
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WingNoob wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 8:08 pm
Mh434 wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 3:51 am
Well, our socialist leader did it. Didn't just ban AR-15's and similar semiautomatic rifles - he's lumped in .22's and others, calling them "military-grade assault weapons", a term he made up himself. The list of newly-prohibited firearms is 1,500 items long, and includes several .22LR plinking rifles.

As of yesterday, 2,200,000 Canadians were made criminals. Not just in the minor, regulation-type crime sense, but in the going-to-prison-for-life sense. As of now, anyone possessing one of the 1,500 named firearms is subject to decades in prison...even though they are checked by the RCMP *daily*. Yes, daily. Now, we have to wait for our socialist dictator to decide our fate & tell us what we have to do to stay out of prison.

By the way - there was no debate, no legislation, no discussion, no consultation on this. He personally decided he was going to do it, and he did it. Period. He simply made a new law, which contravenes several other laws, including the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code of Canada.

Of course, he was emboldened by his recent success in shutting ALL Canadians' rights, so I guess he figured he would ban firearms while he was on a roll. He says that next he's going to turn over handgun bans to cities across the country (by law, this is solely a federal jurisdiction matter, but he's decided, all on his own, to forget about that little detail).

A very large number of firearms owners are already planning on (or are already in the process of) moving to the US & saying goodbye to Canada forever. I wish I had the ability to do the same.
I'd love to see some sources for your claims of daily surveillance and impending prison terms for 2+ million Canadians. In case you weren't paying attention, this was all part of the recent electoral platform so you really shouldn't be surprised. There is also going to eventually be a buy-back program, which may end up being voluntary. It's entirely possible that current owners of these weapons will be grandfathered in and not face any hardships. If you are interested in effecting how this all plays out, then you might consider contacting your representatives in government.

In the meantime, if you want to run down south so you can blast away to your hearts content, feel free.
As far as the daily checks are concerned, this has been documented for years, and confirmed by the RCMP countless times. Every, single licensed firearms owner is checked on CPIC and other databases daily, in case one of them comes to the attention of law enforcement somehow. I can't help it if you're unaware of the facts. If you choose not to believe them, well, that's up to you.

You should know that NO other segment of Canadian society is subject to this level of scrutiny, including child molesters, serial rapists, etc. ONLY federally licensed, RCMP-vetted firearms owners are under this level of scrutiny.

As far as prison terms are concerned, you may wish to educate yourself about the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act. I did NOT overstate. A person who, for example, owns an old shotgun at their farm and the shotgun has suddenly become "prohibited", is liable to 10 years in prison for "possession of a prohibited firearm without a license", and an additional 14 years for "Use of a prohibited firearm in the commission of an offense" (by the way, before you pounce on this, you should know that the Supreme Court has already ruled that simple possession of such a firearm includes the offense of "use of a prohibited firearm"). There are other charges that would be laid, but those are the biggest, amounting to 24 years in prison. PER FIREARM.

Now, bear in mind that the new prohibitions made it instantly, and automatically, a serious criminal offense to possess today what you have legally owned (possibly for decades) yesterday. The penalties for these offenses are greater than for armed robbery, attempted murder, manslaughter, rape, child molestation, etc. There are well over 2 million Canadians who hold such licenses, and the massive overreach of this order in council criminalizes most of them. There WAS no consultation and Parliament was purposely denied discussion or input.

As far as "grandfathering" is concerned, you should also know that this possibility was quietly removed yesterday. It just disappeared. No grandfathering will be permitted.

The "buy-back" (since the government never owned these firearms, it's hard to understand how they can "buy back" what they never owned) is only a possibility, theoretically to happen at some unknown time in the future, with terms to be decided by the Trudeau government which banned them in the first place. If you thing people will be fairly confiscated for the theft of their property (and we're talking as much as a billion dollars or more, here), you're dreaming.

Finally, the center of this controversy is supposedly the AR-15, as it's purported to be a "military weapon" and "assault rifle" that has "no sporting purpose". I note that the RCMP, just yesterday, publicly stated that the AR-15 is NOT a military weapon (true - it was designed from the beginning as a sports/competition rifle for civilian use) and that is it most emphatically NOT an "assault rifle", as it is incapable of fully-automatic fire (which is the definition of an "assault rifle"). ALL such firearms were banned, seized, and destroyed in Canada some 41 years ago.

As far as contacting my MP is concerned...consider that the Liberals completely bypassed the democratic process, ignoring parliamentary rules & prohibiting debate.

I assume from your post that you're happy with the Liberals simply passing new, punitive laws by decree, completely outside of democratic process?



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2008retiredplb wrote:
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We should get a list of the Anti Gun businesses and post it for Every Legal Gun Owner to see and maybe we can over time change their business practices to a gun friendly business. Go after them where it hurts them the most, THEIR MONEY.
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These are all reasons I don't visit Canada or fly anywhere, and I have NO legal history. Those countries can keep their rapists and other criminals to themselves. In the 70s, 80s, and 90s I used to visit Canada several times every year but never again. My family sent firearms to Great Brittan for their "home guard" during WWII. Let them use knives with the points rounded off to protect their third world governing style in the future. I think if our own government tried to make firearms illegal they would be in for a surprise. Our constitution makes congress possible, not the other way around.

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2008retiredplb wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 8:56 am
The thing to remember "IT IS NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL, IT IS ABOUT CONTROL". I feel sad for the citizens of Canada and Australia now that they have an ANTI GUN GOVERNMENT. I have avoided Canada on three trips so far because I exercise my rights to LAWFULLY CARY A FIREARM and would not take the chance of getting arrested while in Canada. If they, anyone that restricts my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS wants me to leave my firearms at home or locked up than I don't go there. They don't need my money or any of my business. I also quit using my Bank of America Credit Card because they rejected an online purchase of a firearm. But later they called, after I wrote them a very pointed letter, that the person that rejected my purchase did not have that authority. Then tried to convince me that they would full support my purchases of firearms and ammo. I again pointed out that I do not do business with Anti Gun Companies. I found there are a few other Anti Gun credit card companies that will not support firearm manufactures by not allowing gun manufactures loans to do business with them. That is one reason I no longer do business with ****'s Sporting Goods.
We should get a list of the Anti Gun businesses and post it for Every Legal Gun Owner to see and maybe we can over time change their business practices to a gun friendly business. Go after them where it hurts them the most, THEIR MONEY.

But in saying that, if we, legal gun owners don't oppose these ridicules and completely useless anti gun laws, we might be in the same boat. We must rid our government of Radical Democrats and a few Republicans or we will loose our rights to own and use our guns. We also need to get Soros, Blumburg, Pelosi, Cummo, and there are a few others that have supported the disarming of Americans. This is one of these things that could have some very bad consequences for both side of this issue.
couple of points i would like to make here.

no need to feel sorry for Australians re gun control. as a society , the MAJORITY supported the removal of fully automatic rifles and military STYLE guns. ( back in 1996 )
as a result, CONTROL of the populace didn't seem to be suddenly increased. and the reimbursement scheme
for weapons handed in ( VOLUNTARILY ) was taken up . not all were happy, but guess what ? most realised the reasons.

fun fact. gun ownership has INCREASED since the bans on fully auto guns were introduced.
if any person here wants a gun , they can buy one. after applying for a license and background checks.
where do people get the idea that gun ownership is somehow connected to CONTROL ?
this a common tactic used by interest groups to instill FEAR in their members. and FEAR is a powerful tool.

another fun fact. Australia has not had another mass shooting since Port Arthur. ( the catalyst for those changes.) coincidence ? i hope not, because we don't want one. ever again.
sadly, in other countries , mass shootings are seen as part of doing business.

my interest in this subject is simply observation. because as a lad in the 70's , i could walk into a gun shop and buy a rifle, a shotgun or whatever. had to be 16 yrs old. that was it. you could carry it down a street or in a car, as long as the bolt was removed.
over time and after that major tragedy , things changed. in my opinion FOR THE BETTER.

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There's a whole lot more wilderness than just in Canada or Alaska. A whole lot!
Yes, I am aware of that. I did say, "especially Canada and Alaska". My point being that there is lots of room for unrestricted shooting. Unlike England which is a very crowded little place, with yet hundreds of thousands more arriving each year.
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My guess is that William Shakespeare and Abe Lincoln would be seen as cads and bounders by some, but not by others. I see many commenting about the USA Constitutional laws who have no idea what it says. That may be fine in their country, but in the USA it means a lot. Just like in their country, we have criminals, maybe more here, thanks to open immigration in the past and the present. Not all people are honest. We have laws to try to keep that under control, but this is a large country. The police are not everywhere that they may be needed at the exact moment. The second amendment allows us to be able to help out in that situation and be able to provide security for ourselves and others. I have needed the sheriffs before and they called back to get directions. When seconds count, they are minutes or hours away. Self protection is a way of life. When some of these idiot politicians who are trying to take control of the people, then it is time for the people to stand up for themselves. That is what some of these people are protesting about. The "politicians know better what we need than we do ourselves". And these idiot politicians keep getting reelected by more idiots. We have lots of gun laws on the books that are not being enforced (and not just gun laws). We don't need more gun laws. Enforce the ones we have! Congress was designed as a part time job, these idiots have made it a career, with some wanting to control what the people think. Our education system has turned into an indoctrination system. We need to ban idiots, not guns
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We need to ban idiots, not guns
Alas, the latter is much easier to do than the former.
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brettchallenger wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 3:43 am
There's a whole lot more wilderness than just in Canada or Alaska. A whole lot!
Yes, I am aware of that. I did say, "especially Canada and Alaska". My point being that there is lots of room for unrestricted shooting. Unlike England which is a very crowded little place, with yet hundreds of thousands more arriving each year.
Then you are a rare one Mr. Brett.

You have my apologies. That is usually one of the least understood concepts about the US.
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Thank you, C-dub. I have travelled there on several occasions, though I have never been to Alaska.
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Cavemen seem to have gotten along without rules for their 'Clubs'.


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