GL1800 transmission complaints


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Re: GL1800 transmission complaints

Post by FIREFIGHT100 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:52 am



I first posted this in the Valkyrie Riders Club after a ride last Thursday.

I have had this symptom happen maybe 5 or 8 times. I cant reproduce it at will.
Wondering if anyone has had this. 2014 .
When slowing down rapidly in a low gear, 2nd or 3rd, The transmission disconnects! I have no
engine braking and rpms drop to idle. And it is not a smooth feeling. Like it will grab and then
release. Feels like it is jumping out of gear, but when I give it gas it accelerates normally.
I can not reproduce this when I try.
I dont want to take it in since it is not reproducable and infrequent in happening.
Any ideas? All maintenance is up to date and it has 19k miles.


Than after a lot of searching and reading of the problem online, I posted this.

I did file a complaint with the U.S. DOT National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. This is a fairly common problem with the 1800 Honda's. And it is in excess of $4000. for Honda to repair as it requires a mostly all new transmission.
If and when it goes, it can leave you sitting at the side of the road awaiting a tow! Or at worst, when you slow down to make a left turn in front of oncoming traffic, and see your opening and go to accelerate and boom! You are in false neutral with no power in the wrong lane with traffic coming! Not a good feeling. This was what happened to me the other day that prompted me to write.
I suggest anyone who is experiencing this issue to do the same a file a report. Honda is aware of this issue.
The fix made to the 2014 transmissions evidently did not fix the problem, unless I got a left over 2013 tranny.
I have lots of warranty left, but I don't relish having my bike laid up for months to repair. It is my daily transportation.


Now I would recommend everyone who is experiencing ghost shifting to do the same and file a complaint online. This is the only way Honda would possibly issue a recall for this problem. Here is the link to file. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/



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Re: GL1800 transmission complaints

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:05 pm

FIREFIGHT100 wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:52 am
Now I would recommend everyone who is experiencing ghost shifting to do the same and file a complaint online. This is the only way Honda would possibly issue a recall for this problem. Here is the link to file. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/
This is correct. Manufacturers can only be compelled to issue a recall when the problem affects the product's SAFETY. So if you are experiencing the transmission problem and it has put you in an unsafe situation - or more importantly, caused an accident - make sure you report it to the NHTSA. They pay attention to this sort of thing.

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Re: GL1800 transmission complaints

Post by Big Blue UK » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:20 pm

FIREFIGHT100 wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:52 am
This is a fairly common problem with the 1800 Honda's. And it is in excess of $4000. for Honda to repair as it requires a mostly all new transmission.
Mine cost $4.200 in your money, have had it back about 2 weeks, sounds sweet but still in bits
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Re: GL1800 transmission complaints

Post by wingider » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:08 pm

I own a 2002 GoldWing, bought it in 2014 with only 58000KM on the odometerter, now 5 jears later it tels me 165000KM and I am riding a lot of smal roads , means a lot shifting, stil no complains wath ever, so how common is this , as I read of a bend shifter I think some one has a bad agressif shifting done in the past

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Re: GL1800 transmission complaints

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:34 pm

FIREFIGHT100 wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:52 am
I first posted this in the Valkyrie Riders Club after a ride last Thursday.
Good luck with reporting your issue to the NHTSA.

It's called ghost shifting. Apparently the term came from 10-speed riders. I've never heard anyone describe it as "transmission disconnect" but you've accurately described it. As with a 10-speed, the chain can lift, and skim across the gears (false neutral) or "ghost" into another gear with no input from the rider. Google "gl1800 ghost shifting" and I'm sure you will find "my name (goldwingrgreg) is attached to everything" ... I'm quoting what the attorneys said who had a class action lawsuit filed against Honda about 5 years ago. I also corrected them ... "my name is not attached to everything, only when correcting the problem."

As for repairs costing $4,000. There is no guarantee such repair is lasting. I currently have one in my shop now that had a "repair" like that, and it is not the first one I've repaired that Honda had repaired prior.

To fix a GL1800 that is "ghosting," it starts with putting the shafts on a lathe and checking for excessive run-out. Next is magna-fluxing looking for imperfections that cannot be seen with a naked eye. Once all bad metal is replaced, then the dogs on the gears are undercut. This is all done by a m/c transmission machine shop specialist. Undercut transmissions can be found in many motorcycles; it is nothing new to the m/c world. I've invented nothing new here, but Wing owners from literally across America, and way into Canada, will get their Wings to me for repair.

The engine case halves are sent to anther machinist where they get hot tanked, the cylinders are measure for excessive run-out, and honed for new rings. The output shaft gets sent to a 3rd machinist; its seal surface gets polished for a new oil seal. These additional processes all cost money. The end result is a smoother, much quieter shifting, and longer wearing transmission.

As for bent shift forks ... that's a forum myth. Rarely do I find one with a bent shift fork, but all have worn, damaged, center shift forks. Below is a picture I took of bad, 5th gen, GL1800 transmission parts that I've been aquiring for several years now.

Also, Honda did change the dog design from 2014-2017. For the most it seems to have fixed their issue. However, sometimes I get as many as 2 calls a week from owners still having problems. At other times I may not get a call from a newer 5th gen Wing owner for months.

In the class action lawsuit link below, you'll see that there has not yet been an injury. The judge states "However, judicial precedent in Florida requires that to allege a tort such as strict liability, negligent misrepresentation or fraud, Aprigliano or the other plaintiffs would need to assert an injury."

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-set ... n-lawsuit/
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