How do you brake your Wing?


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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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When I am on the highway in 5th gear, to slow for a turn, I usually begin by downshifting to 4th. Then I will apply both brakes. As I approach the stop, I shift to neutral and then coast while applying the brakes lightly or not at all. Finally at just a few miles per hour. I will finish with the rear brake only . putting my left foot down. Then on to my right, with my left foot on the peg ready to shift to 1st. The wing was tricky to bring to a full stop gracefully when I first got her. I think that was due to the interlocked front and rear braking set up. But lightly feathering at the last half mph with just the rear brake is my technique.

With my foot by the shifter. and flashing my brake lights with my right lever to cars approaching from the rear and after they stop, I am ready to move out of the way of some one who might ram into me. And I am warning them that I am there. The only accidents I've been in have been cars rearending me after they have already stopped.
On an empty roadway, sometimes instead of using just the brakes, I will continue to down shift , 3rd then 2 nd. So, I use the gearbox to slow . 2 nd being just right for a 90 degree turn.

But if you have to stop in a hurry get the bike vertical and apply both brakes hard.



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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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BrianD wrote:Well just so everyone can tut tut me, I am a front braker most of the time even when towing my trailer. It's old school training and I have always done this. The only two times I can remember I needed emergency braking I had both brakes on full and the ABS was pumping away like crazy to pull me up straight.
I do use some rear brake if heading down a steep winding road just so it does not dive forward so much.
As I have just had it triked, it will be interesting to see if my style changes over time.
Every motorcycle riding safety class I have taken or have been told about, is to use BOTH Brakes ALL the time. One reason is to get yourself into the automatic application of the brakes so you don't have to remember it when in an emergency situation where you must use both. They call it "muscle memory". You just use more or less braking, front, rear or both, as the situation requires. Using only the front brake is asking for trouble down the road someday.

As far as the use of the rear brake going down a steep winding road, that may be fine or in slow hard turns, I think that is what you might call that "Trail Braking" and mostly used by experienced riders.

Every time you use either brakes it takes weight off the rear wheel of the bike and transfers it to the front wheel. That is why you get the dive when braking. The amount of dive is in relation to the amount of braking. the more braking, the more dive you will feel.

I have seen a really good video on braking that was shown by a motor officer that has taken time to educate motorcycle riders about safe riding. It showed how a motorcycle shifts weight from rear to front in a braking situation and the difference between using both brakes or using either the front or rear alone. Very evident the difference between each. I wish I had the video to post, so you and anyone else could see the difference.
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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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Always use both your brakes. As the other guys have stated if you only use your front brake most of the time that is what you will do in an emergency. Using both brakes stops the bike quicker in an emergency than the front or the back.

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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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It is my humble opinion that you should always use both front and rear brakes during all braking situations. My reason for this is because if a panic situation arises when you need to stop quickly, the most natural thing to do would be what you do most often, and if you need to stop in a hurry, using both brakes is what you need to do.

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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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From my Super 90 in '69 (305 Super Hawk, CL450,...Shadow ACE, GL1500SE) to my '16 1800, I have always used both brakes simultaneously. Best stopping power and maintains control in all conditions. I also combine slight compression braking to make sure I am in the proper gear should I need to accelerate (you never know).

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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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Braking on a larger, bigger bike is the same regardless of make and model. I take an advanced riding course every year (find it to be better money spent than that on insurance, but insurance is mandatory) and the message regarding braking is the same every time for all bikes, large or small - rear brake first, front second then apply max pressure by squeezing the front brake lever, and pushing down on the rear brake pedal. The last part of the sequence is to downshift. The rear brake is applied first to minimize the unloading of the rear of the bike - this does happen but is minimized. This sequence happens extremely fast, but is practiced in slow time.

As for ABS brakes, it has been proven that you will stop faster if the ABS is not activated. ABS is a safety item on a bike and should not be used solely to preempt good braking skills.

The instructors are quite good at knowing how you are braking and can tell you exactly what you did and why the bike responded as it did. As everyone has mentioned practice afterwards is paramount.

When I come to a stop I use both brakes, but the closer I get to actually stopping I apply more rear brake and less front brake. I find it results in a more controlled, better looking stop, and I can stop with my right foot on the rear brake and left foot down - practice this every stop.

Just a few more thoughts.

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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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I have to agree with the general recommendation on here, use both brakes all the time.
I started my motorcycle career on a drum braked motorcycle (1982) and you had to use both front and rear brakes because either brake by itself was useless, but 2 useless brakes work better than one.. Then I started racing professionally (with disk brakes) and soon started using only the front brake as the rear wheel is usually just leaving the tarmac if you are braking correctly (this is racing NOT street riding) so applying the rear brake doesn't slow you down (as the wheel is in the air) but does slow down the rear wheel rotation which reduces gyroscopic stability (something you want to keep for as long and as deep as you can into the turn!). On a race track you are riding at the limits of your ability and the style is very different to the street. If you are riding at the limits of your ability on the street, you won't be riding for very long!!
Using both brakes keeps the motorcycle balanced and stable, it balances weight transfer and as stated creates muscle memory which will save your bacon when something does go wrong. Yes you can brake harder in perfectly dry conditions using just the front brake (as the rear wheel should be an inch or two of the road), but that is a DUMB way to ride on the street, you need to keep both wheels on the ground and controlled so that nasty surprises like oil, pot holes, antifreeze, etc don't have you off. The wing is a heavy old girl that needs a lot of stopping, the brakes are not that great in my opinion, but using the front and rear together give a good result and should be encouraged at all times!! :D

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I USE BOTH ALL THE TIME But I try to plan my stops so I don't have to use the brakes at all or little as possible...... When i know that the traffic light is going to change to red, I'll just coast to the light... Same as a stop sign up ahead, and you know you have to stop..........WHY fly up to that sign @ 50 mph and then apply your brakes to stop, just coast up slowly, and use your brakes as little as possible ..........make "em" last as long as possible..................

I live on the end of a street with a stop sign there, I see it all the time, these drivers fly up the street at 60mph ++ and then stop at the sign....(OR go through it w/o stopping) What a waste of brake pads, rotters and everything included in getting new brake(s) installed.................

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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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The best way to know how to brake your Goldwing is take a Safety Riding Class like an Advanced Rider class. then do it every three years after that. It will teach you almost anything you will need to keep safer on the highways. Also by doing it every three years you will not pick up bad habits that you don't even know you did. Our GWRRA organization in Illinois, has some of the best rider coaches around.
Another place to get rider training is through Motorcycle Safety Foundation or maybe your state universities motorcycle safety programs.

When I was on two wheels, my training courses (ARC & now TRC) allowed me to get very aggressive on curves so much so that my co-rider got mad at me for scraping so much "Chrome" in the curves. Now that I ride on three wheels I still take those rider classes. They have saved my but on at least three different cases. Probably even more that I didn't even realize. I have said that I can keep up with many if not most two wheel riders in the curves on my trike.
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Sadly I use my front brake way more than the combination of front and rear, comes from my years of riding sport bikes, were I primarily used just the front brakes, because you had 2 sets of brakes when you grabbed the front lever. I have been trying to mentally remember to use both lever and the pedal for all braking situations. Although it won't break my heart to have to change the pads, previous owner put in EBC pads, I don't like the pads, they squeak occasionally when coming to a stop and make a buzzing noise when you use them, just need more time to change out the pads. 😕

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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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Using the front brake only will get you into big trouble on the Goldwing. You have a 1000 pound bike and add passengers it could get up to 1400 to 1500 pounds. If you loose traction on the front wheel, you WILL GO Down.
I know this as when I first started to ride I was on an 1100cc Honda Shadow and was turning into a driveway entrance and hit some loose gravel or loose asphalt and went down immediately. Was down so quick I couldn't have done anything to keep the bike upright.
I have seen videos of police training were they tried stoping using only the front brakes, using only back brakes and using both brakes. You will stop much quicker using both brakes. Then they showed the same thing on wet roads and it was even more drastic how you will go down by not using both brakes. The difference was enough to get you killed or badly injured in an emergency stop. They showed how a semi pulled out in front of the biker and not using both brakes they collided with the semi when not using both brakes. So if someone that has training like the police motor officer's do can't stop quick enough using anything other than both brakes at the same time, us Goldwing riders surely will not be able to do it either.

That is what you learn in the ARC and TRC riding classes.

On the Goldwing I have found that you can change both front brake pads in about an hour unless you have rotor covers on the bike. You only need to loosen the brake calipers by removing two bolts on each side, not completely removing the calipers, and you can slip the old pads out and put the new pads back on the same way. Rear pads are even easier. It actually is easier to do it than to tell you how.

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Sadly I use my front brake way more than the combination of front and rear, comes from my years of riding sport bikes, were I primarily used just the front brakes, because you had 2 sets of brakes when you grabbed the front lever. I have been trying to mentally remember to use both lever and the pedal for all braking situations. Although it won't break my heart to have to change the pads, previous owner put in EBC pads, I don't like the pads, they squeak occasionally when coming to a stop and make a buzzing noise when you use them, just need more time to change out the pads. 😕

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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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Whatever you do in your day to day riding, is what you will do without thinking in an emergency.

If you only use your front brakes, then in an emergency, you're going to grab a fist full of front brake, and down you'll go.

Use both brakes at all times, and in an emergency, you will automatically do the same thing.

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The saying in firearms training... "You will always fall to the level of your training."

LEOs have been known to fire once and put down their weapon even though the threat still existed, housewives have picked up their weapon and racked the slide unnecessarily - costing critical seconds,... All because that's how they trained.
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My buddy Kevin from MCrider had a video this week on this very subject.



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Re: How do you brake your Wing?

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Rednaxs60 wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:15 pm
As for ABS brakes, it has been proven that you will stop faster if the ABS is not activated.
:lol:

Please provide your source for *this* nugget of - wisdom...specifically, in a motorcycle application.
Rednaxs60 wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:15 pm
ABS is a safety item on a bike and should not be used solely to preempt good braking skills.
Activation of ABS - in a motorcycle application - is the machine doing your (no, not you personally...) job. As a rider, you have failed, now the machine is trying to save your 'bacon' from injury or worse.
“A standard-fit ABS can prevent more than one-quarter of all motorcycle accidents with personal injuries,” is how Gerhard Steiger, president of the Bosch Chassis Systems Control division, sums up the findings of a Bosch accident study.
https://www.bosch-presse.de/pressportal ... 42009.html

That wouldn't have happened in the EU - even with the stringent motorcycle licensing requirements they have - if it didn't work.
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I tip it over and kick it. Sorry, 6 years later, I couldn't help myself. ;)
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Steve F wrote:
Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:45 am
I use 'em both. The bike has linked brakes anyway, so using the rear will also apply the front-left caliper in a limited kind of way, and also applying the front will apply some braking to the rear caliper. But like I said, I use both front and rear as normal operating procedure.
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