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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by robnort » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:37 am



Anytime! Glad I could help. :D



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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Mh434 » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:13 pm

The only thing that scares me about the Michelins is the warning (I believe it was from Honda, to their dealers) specifically not to use them.

While they may make a size that will fit, there's more to motorcycle tires than what will go on the rims. Load design, in particular, seems crucial in GoldWing tires, as our bikes are pretty much heavier (especially when loaded down with passenger, luggage, trailer, etc.) than many tires are designed to handle.

I'm wondering if that's the reasoning?

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Wingsconsin » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:00 am

The warning bulletin

This bulletin from Michelin may serve to clear things up a bit, was sent to all Canadian Honda M/C dealers just this morning (probably same in the States):
September 2, 2014

Honda® Gold Wing® Motorcycles

As a reminder to Motorcycle tire Distributors, Retailers and Consumers, Michelin currently DOES NOT offer approved fitments for either the Honda GL1500 Gold Wing or the Honda GL1800 Gold Wing motorcycle.
* * * * *
NO MICHELIN MOTORCYCLE (OR PASSENGER CAR) TIRE SHOULD EVER BE MOUNTED ON A HONDA GL1500 GOLD WING OR A HONDA GL1800 GOLD WING MODEL MOTORCYCLE. DOING SO COULD CREATE A DANGEROUS SITUATION WHICH MAY LEAD TO ACCIDENT, INJURY OR DEATH.
* * * * *
Please refer to the 2014 Michelin Fitment Guide for all approved fitments for Michelin motorcycle tires. You can also access approved fitments and additional technical information related to MICHELIN products at http://www.motorcycle.michelinman.com. If you ever have any questions about Michelin Motorcycle Tires or require clarification on any specific fitment information, do not hesitate to contact your Michelin Account Manager.
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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Mh434 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:15 am

Yep, that's the one...thanks, Wingsconsin. Seems like a pretty dire warning to me! Must be a reason for it...

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by WingAdmin » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:12 pm

Mh434 wrote:Yep, that's the one...thanks, Wingsconsin. Seems like a pretty dire warning to me! Must be a reason for it...
And I'm sure the reason for it came directly from their firm Dewey, Cheatem and Howe. Liability - if they don't have tires that are the correct size and also have sufficient load rating, then they don't want to be liable for accidents from tire failures when they tires with insufficient load ratings have been used by owners.

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Mh434 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:14 pm

No doubt!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've had to deal with that law firm before - my ex-wife retained them for our divorce! :o :roll:

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Wingrider44 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:19 pm

So let's compare load/speed ratings:

Dunlop D250 Rear = 74H which is 827 lbs @ 41 PSI
Dunlop Elite 3 = 80H which is 992 lbs @ 41 PSI
Bridgestone G704 = 74H which is 827 lbs @ 41 PSI
Michelin Commander II = 81H which is in excess of 992 lbs.

So to me, load rating is NOT the issue here and speed rating (H) is the same. But from a load rating point of view, the Commander II is able to handle the heavier loads of the Goldwing GL1800 better then OEM tires (D250 and G704). Note that the ratings for the three first tires are radial ply construction while the Commander is a bias ply construction.

I'm still thinking that next season I will install a set of Michelin Commander II's.

Look how many darksiders are using the Michelin Alpin. And the warning included ANY Michelin tire for the GL1800 or GL1500. Lawyers are a scourge on our society. Only lawyer can come up with a phrase like "that depends on what the definition of 'is' is". :roll:
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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Mh434 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:30 pm

The specs on the Commanders sure look good - I've been concerned about the load capabilities of the tires I'm using (Dunlop Elite), as the load of the bike + a passenger & rider actually exceeds the maximum by quite a margin - maybe that's why the mileage life of them doesn't seem very good.

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by D-WING » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:53 pm

the 180/65b16 81H commander 2 is rated for 1019 lbs and 130 mph, that's the same speed and higher weight than the radial
also like everyone said the taller tire will fix the speedo error. now if an Electra glide ultra classic at 877 pounds can handle this tire
I don't see why a wing cant. that being said I've ordered one for my 2014 and we will see how it goes the only other choice is a car tire for
high mileage .
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https://www.canadasmotorcycle.ca/michel ... -tire.html

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Rednaxs60 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:52 pm

A fellow I know in Matheson, Ontario has the Commander II on his Harley. The distributor informed him that he would not have to balance the wheel after install. He was skeptical, but did not balance the tires. He has had them for over two years and has not had to balance them. He does have two bottles of Ride-On tire sealant/balancing in his saddlebags just in case.

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by D-WING » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:48 pm

this is from Michelins site
its why I'm going to try them next tire change

A new standard in cruiser tire longevity
- Commissioned third-party tests* show that the MICHELIN® Commander® II rear tire lasts almost twice as long its nearest rivals

Innovative technology
- Amplified Density Technology: A highly dense, more-rigid tire casing, which helps deliver excellent feedback and handling
- Aramid tread plies on the rear tire resist centrifugal growth, reduce weight and provide excellent stability
- All-new rubber compounds for remarkable wet grip, without compromising durability
- Square bead-wire package improves casing rigidity, handling and ease of installation

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by themainviking » Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:05 am

GHORTON wrote:the 180/65b16 81H commander 2 is rated for 1019 lbs and 130 mph, we will see how it goes. the only other choice is a car tire for
high mileage
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check out the reviews here
https://www.canadasmotorcycle.ca/michel ... -tire.html
In my humble opinion, the car tire is the reason for Michelin's disclaimers of tires for Goldwings. Too many are using the Alpin tire on the back and loving it. Michelin does not want the liability.
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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Wingsconsin » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:43 am

IF one chooses to ignore the 'warnings' about using a non-Goldwing Specific tire on their bike..
Like many Darksiders seem to do and would consider this tire for the next set what are the detrations found when switching from a RADIAL tire to a BIAS PLY tire ? The GL1800 is set-up for RADIALS and I wonder about the engineering change...

Disclaimers:
1) I run this Commander II on my Suzuki GS850GL and REALLY like it. It grips well, is quiet, and seems to offer longevity although I currently only have about 4000 miles on my set of these.
2) I DID run a car tire on the rear of my GL1500 for 30,000 miles but eventually decided I did not like the feel of it although it worked just fine. The REAR Car Tire was a radial and the front was a bias ply....

SO - GL1800's on non-radials ? Any issues ?

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Wingrider44 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:32 am

As I mentioned earlier, I have a good friend who rides a Victory Vision. The Victory touring bikes use the identical radial tires as our GL1800s. He tried the Michelin Commander IIs on his Vision about 2 or 3 years ago and hasn't looked back. He rides a lot of miles each year and has just mounted his 3rd set of Michelin Commander IIs, He gets around 18K to 20K out of a set which is WAY better than the Dunlop E3s I have on my bike right now. He reports that his Vision rides and handles just as good with the Michelin tires than with the radial he used previously. Less cost, greater life, excellent performance.....seems like a no brainer to me.
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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Kennyg900rr » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:06 pm

Try the 180/ 65 /16 michelin commander works pretty good on goldwing love it...

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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Wingsconsin » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:04 pm

Glad this came back up --

Does anyone have any REAL WORLD (use by you) experience with the Commander II on the Wing?
Any radial vs Bias Ply thoughts that could be germane to the conversation?

As stated by me earlier - I LIKE the Michelin Commander II as I run a set on my GS850 (smaller and lighter bike).
But on the Wing which is deigned for radials - is this a thing to go to bias ply ?


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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by offcenter » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:09 pm

I have the Commander II on both of my Goldwings.
The Commander on my 1500 is now nearly worn out with about 18,000 miles on it.
I have another new one here that I'll install next week.
I love 'em.
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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Rednaxs60 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:31 pm

Have them on my 1985 Limited Edition, just past 30,000 Kms and not a the wear bars.
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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by Wingsconsin » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:42 pm

Rednaxs60 wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:31 pm
Have them on my 1985 Limited Edition, just past 30,000 Kms and not a the wear bars.
offcenter wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:09 pm
I have the Commander II on both of my Goldwings.
The Commander on my 1500 is now nearly worn out with about 18,000 miles on it.
I have another new one here that I'll install next week.
I love 'em.
Both bikes originally designed with Bias ply tires -
Anyone using them on an 1800 ?
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Re: Michelin Commander II Tires

Post by aperry » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:38 am

I am also interested in the Michelins, however I have seen it mentioned several times that they raise the height of the Goldwing. I am just about at my limit on seat height and comfort with E3s. How much is the difference?



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