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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by MikeB » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:13 pm



The jack contact points are the retracted center stand and the bottom of the engine.


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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by C-dub » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:12 pm

I figured the retracted center stand would be the rear contact points. The engine surprises me a little, but if that's normal and it can support the weight then okay.

I'm rapidly about to move into the next phase of my Winging/Wingmanship. I've had it for two years and reached my 20k mile service agreement. It's been quite a few years since I've done any of my own maintenance on a vehicle.

Can I also assume that a jack of this style will not interfere with much regular maintenance? A table lift looks really great, but is also a bit more $$$. I'm also thinking that a jack like the J&S style leaves much more room to get to various things easier.
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by MikeB » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:23 pm

Actually, I should have said the engine and frame as well as the center stand. I have a belly pan on both my wings so I can't tell really tell where the contact point is.
I have the Pit Bull lift and if I had it to do over again I would go for the J&S because of right side access when the bike is on the lift. You can get closer to things with the J&S. You can see that in the video.

On the lift, don't plan on doing an oil change. Access is good but not convenient. Other than that, you can do just about anything you need to do. I bought the lift primarily to do wheel and tire changes.
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by C-dub » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:10 pm

MikeB wrote:
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On the lift, don't plan on doing an oil change.
:o :( Aww, that would seem like one of the most common uses. Still gotta be easier than without a jack like this, no?
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by MikeB » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:36 pm

Changing oil is not really a common use for a jack but it would be common for a lift table.

Since the jack uses the center stand, engine and frame for lifting points, that puts the jack directly beneath the engine where you will want to put the oil pan while draining the oil on a GL1500. The GL1800 drains out the front but the time needed for me to put the bike on the jack properly exceeds the time I would need to do an oil change.

As I said, I bought it for wheel and tire changes as well as other extensive work. Such as fork maintenance and drive component work. It is invaluable in that aspect.

I had my GL1800 on the jack for a couple of months after an accident I was involved in 2014. Made it easy to roll it into the work area then push it out of the way so I could put the car in the garage when I was finished working on it at night.


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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by C-dub » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:34 pm

MikeB wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:36 pm
Changing oil is not really a common use for a jack but it would be common for a lift table.

Since the jack uses the center stand, engine and frame for lifting points, that puts the jack directly beneath the engine where you will want to put the oil pan while draining the oil on a GL1500. The GL1800 drains out the front but the time needed for me to put the bike on the jack properly exceeds the time I would need to do an oil change.
Good to know. I can still get down on the ground and back up easily, so oil changes might not be the best use for a jack of this type. I thought it would help raise things up to a nice level if using a rolling stool for working from. Getting that front cowl off and back on to install those lower lights was still a huge PITA. Installing those lights and wiring and removing the trunk latch mechanism cover is the most wrenching I've done on my Wing so far. I think over the next few months and year or two that's going to change dramatically. We'll see, but with the prices of labor for Honda mechanics to do things a jack like this seems like a very low cost investment over it's lifetime.

I'll also be ordering the service manual. I haven't even changed the oil on my own bike yet :oops: , but that's going to change. We'll just have to wait and see how much change there's actually going to be.
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by DenverWinger » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:59 pm

Harbor Freight has two different motorcycle lifts, a flimsy one (the one in the video) which is absolute junk, and the one I have, which has 1 1/2" square steel frame and lift arms instead of the channel steel frame and bar stock lift arms shown. Actually quite sturdy. And oddly enough, they sell both models for the same price :!: :?: :!: :?: :!: :?:
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by C-dub » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:55 pm

DenverWinger wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:59 pm
Harbor Freight has two different motorcycle lifts, a flimsy one (the one in the video) which is absolute junk, and the one I have, which has 1 1/2" square steel frame and lift arms instead of the channel steel frame and bar stock lift arms shown. Actually quite sturdy. And oddly enough, they sell both models for the same price :!: :?: :!: :?: :!: :?:
Would it be this one?


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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by DenverWinger » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:24 pm

Nope, that looks flimsy too.

This one.


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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by C-dub » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:08 pm

DenverWinger wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:24 pm
Nope, that looks flimsy too.

This one.
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That looks quite a bit like the J&S jack. The only difference appears to be that this one is rated for 1500, while the J&S one is rated for 2000. If they are that similar, that extra 500 pound capacity would not be worth the difference in price.
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by DenverWinger » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:16 pm

Looked more at the HF site, looks like they don't have the one like in the video anymore. Wonder why? :roll:
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by C-dub » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:30 pm

DenverWinger wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:16 pm
Looked more at the HF site, looks like they don't have the one like in the video anymore. Wonder why? :roll:
Did you watch the whole video? They stated in it that they would not be doing all the things with the HF jack like with the other two because it wobbled too much and they didn't trust it to put their bike on it.
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by DenverWinger » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:09 pm

Ya, saw that.
I wouldn't, either. :shock:
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by C-dub » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:24 pm

DenverWinger wrote:
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Ya, saw that.
I wouldn't, either. :shock:
Is that the one you have or is yours more stable?
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by CrystalPistol » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:29 pm

Bought a Larin lift from HF back when they was $99, used a coupon and got it 25% cheaper like 20 years ago, replaced all the bolts with grade eight 1/2 NC and nyloc nuts, and I know I used it at least twice with the 1200 to detail. I think it would be great for use as a transmission jack maybe. Looks like, but may be a little wider than:





I find I use the jack alone more often, it's just so handy for the little jack jobs. I never had issue with it under the 1200 though. I even made an adaptor piece to lift under center stand mount at rear. Nice knob for setting valve, nice pedal that can be used by hand as well. Spring to reset pump handle. I swear though, it looks wider than this one. Now that I have no MCs to jack up, and I use hoist for lawn tractor, guess I'll just use this if need adjustable height table?
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Re: Which lift to buy?

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My big question now is regarding where this makes contact with the bike. I looked underneath mine and it appears as though the engine is lower than the frame and not flat. For ya'll that use this type of jack, is that how yours fits? Is it okay like that or is there something else I would need to do to make it safe like having some kind of shims or something?
The oil pan is actually made of quite thin aluminum, and it's not really advisable to lift the bike by it. I have small pieces of wood that I fit up against my frame, and that extend down slightly lower than the oil pan, and that's what contacts my jack, so it's lifting the bike by its frame, not by the engine oil pan.

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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by dirtwinger » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:25 pm

DenverWinger's pic several post above looks very much like the Craftsman unit I purchased from Sears lots of years ago for around $100. It weighs around 100 lbs., is very sturdy, has a detachable long handle with which to move the lift. I have used it many times on my previous GL1200, several times on my current GL1800, and even for some automotive applications. Note in DenverWinger's image that this unit has four tie-down loops with which to keep the bike secured when elevated, which, I feel, is quite important for heavy wrenching and overall safety...don't want that almost half-ton machine falling on me.

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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by C-dub » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:52 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
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C-dub wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:52 pm
My big question now is regarding where this makes contact with the bike. I looked underneath mine and it appears as though the engine is lower than the frame and not flat. For ya'll that use this type of jack, is that how yours fits? Is it okay like that or is there something else I would need to do to make it safe like having some kind of shims or something?
The oil pan is actually made of quite thin aluminum, and it's not really advisable to lift the bike by it. I have small pieces of wood that I fit up against my frame, and that extend down slightly lower than the oil pan, and that's what contacts my jack, so it's lifting the bike by its frame, not by the engine oil pan.
After poking around a bit more on the J&S site I found an adapter for the GL1800.



It looks like it gets around the engine being lower than the frame issue. I didn't think lifting on the engine sounded right.
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by C-dub » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:57 pm

Since my 2y/20k mile service contract is up and I'm moving towards performing as much of the regular maintenance as I can and discovering that a lift/jack is not necessary for changing the oil I'm beginning to wonder how much other stuff can be done without one. How much requires one and how much is way easier with one? There will still be stuff that I'll have to take it to Honda for and I'll figure that out along the way after I get the service manual.
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by DenverWinger » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:38 pm

I got mine for changing the rear tire, with trailer hitch on it you have to get it pretty far up in the air to get the rear wheel out. Haven't had cause to use it on the bike for anything else yet.

I did use it and two floor jacks and three jackstands to get the right front of Girlfriend's Pontiac high enough to get under it to replace the #%@$*&% power steering pump though.... Think working on a 1500 a PITA?
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by thebruce » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:48 pm

I worked in a dealership for a spell.

IF you can afford it and have the space, a handy lift is what I had in my bay, and it was the cat's ass.

https://handy-lift.com/p/SAM-1200-Air-Lift

Every single job done on an MC is made easier, granted I've never had a 'wing on one.

As I no longer work at a dealership I have a princess auto (Canada's HF) foot pump hydraulic table thingy. It works, and I've had an ultra classic up on it so I would assume it will lift the 'wing when the time comes. NO COMPARISON to the quality and convenience of a handy.

I also have one of those wheeled quad Jack things, that most of the pictures in this thread are of, mine is a moto master, I think. I haven't used it in like 5 years, and I would give it to the first forum member who passed through I dislike it so much.

I also have at some point possessed (can't find of late) a sweet little unit that I would describe as a portable center stand. They are relatively cheap, and are my go-to for any kind of front end work. Basically puts the fulcrum a little further forward so the front tire lifts instead of the rear. Between this and a table there isn't anything that can't be done to a bike in "relative" comfort.

I totally get where budget comes into play. I've been working my ass off for a fair time now and can finally afford a nearly 30 year old motorcycle to rip around on with the missus.

I also know that my time has a value to it, and every moment I spend NOT laying around contorting my body to fix something could be spent riding or otherwise enjoying myself or being a self-employed whatever it is that I do.

IF one has the expendable dollars, and wants to do any and all maintenance and modification themselves, I heavily recommend a good table. If I can find that center stand I will post a pic.

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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by DenverWinger » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:10 am

thebruce wrote:
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I also have one of those wheeled quad Jack things, that most of the pictures in this thread are of, mine is a moto master, I think. I haven't used it in like 5 years, and I would give it to the first forum member who passed through I dislike it so much.
If you have a nice table lift, why would you even WANT to use a jack thingy, anyway? :lol:
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I totally get where budget comes into play. I've been working my ass off for a fair time now and can finally afford a nearly 30 year old motorcycle to rip around on with the missus.

IF one has the expendable dollars, and wants to do any and all maintenance and modification themselves, I heavily recommend a good table. If I can find that center stand I will post a pic.
Well, now that I have my nearly 30 and nearly 40 yr old motorcycles I don't have ROOM for a lift in the garage. The last couple winters the garage was full of stuff from the house due to various projects, putting a car in the garage has been out of the question.

Getting the camper trailer, a 'Wing and a Virago (GF's) in there with barely enough room for two cars has always been sort of a jigsaw puzzle, but I have the stuff from the house mostly back in the house again. I may actually try to make room for two cars again this winter. Will be even more of a jigsaw puzzle though since now there are TWO 'Wings, the Virago and the camper to deal with. :shock: Garage is only 20x24 and there are shelves and workbench around the perimeter so it is a real squeeze. May have to settle for just one car in there now. :(

Nice thing about these old 'Wings is it is so seldom they need to go up in the air... :D
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Re: Which lift to buy?

Post by thebruce » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:49 am

DenverWinger wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:10 am

If you have a nice table lift, why would you even WANT to use a jack thingy, anyway? :lol:
Touché. Although I hated it even before I got the table. Was spoiled early in the game.

As far as room goes, if you put the bike you ride the least on the lift, it's not taking up a bunch if space.

Also, over winter a bike can go in the air and all sorts of stuff can get packed under the lift, depending on how much you trust said lift.


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