1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start


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1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by Megreenusmc1969 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:57 am



Let me start by stating what it does not do, then I will tell you what I have already tried and hopefully you can help me have a reliable Goldwing, as I am getting very frustrated:

On occasion, at one time I thought outside temperature was a factor, but it would not start the other day above 80 degrees F. At first I only noticed that when I turned the key there was no sound but a small click on the left rear of the motorcycle. Then I noticed that the headlight dims when the starter button is pressed. Now I have noticed that upon initial turn on, if the Cruise Set and Cruise On lights do not come on for a second and then go off that the bike will not start, this is an absolute.

I want to throw in that there is not anyone here in Memphis that will work on her, so I am having to try and troubleshoot everything myself. Honda will not work on anything older than 1991 and the only shops in town that work on "vintage" bikes are not big enough to handle a trike.

I have done the following:

Replaced starter with Brand new OEM starter (This was put on by Honda before they started turning me down)
Replaced Solenoid A with OEM Solenoid (This was put on by Honda before they started turning me down)
Replaced Solenoid B with OEM Solenoid (This was put on by Honda before they started turning me down)
Replaced the battery
Replaced the reverse switch
replaced both clutch switches
Cleaned the starter switch
Went to clean the Cruise switch and found it was already gutted by the previous owner
Cleaned the Kill Switch
Removed the seat and cleaned all of the connections I could find

I guess this is about all that i have done up to now. It was 55 degrees F this morning and no Cruise Set and Cruise on lights, therefore no start.



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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by virgilmobile » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:59 am

I'll venture a guess without going into long details...Swap the "main" relay with another.
Test probe with the key on both sides of the big fuse by the battery.They can hairline crack.

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by virgilmobile » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:00 am

By the way.The headlights do go off when you push the start button.Suppose to do that.

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by Megreenusmc1969 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:05 pm

Thanks Virgil. When you say "Main" relay, which one are you speaking about. On my relays, the ones next to the fuses, there is one that mentions Tail Lights (Main Relay), is that it? Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question. In addition, the large fuse, is that the one that looks like a little thin wrench? Once again sorry if I am not grasping the term correctly, but I am using a Haynes manual and the internet to try and fix all of my issues and am still new to this. I normally work on computers in Human Resources, so not as mechanical as I am technical.

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by virgilmobile » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:17 pm

As I recall the relay I mention is called "tail/main/...the dogbone fuse is suspect(looks like a wrench/...do probe the connections not the fuse...With the key on...

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by bellboy40 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:18 am

As Virgil has pointed out, that tail/main relay is suspect. Swap it with the one for the air pump and see if that clears your trouble.

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by seelyark1 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:45 pm

You may want to check out the ground connections. I had basically the same problem on my lawn mower the other day, and it turned out to be a bad ground. Battery connections may be great at the terminal, but be bad at frame. Also, why would the cruise lights have anything to do with it other than as the light test when turning on the ignition? If they don't come on that tells you something else is wrong.
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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by Megreenusmc1969 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:23 am

Well I checked the "dog bone" fuse and it tested okay, but I had a new one and replaced it. I also had a new relay that I purchased and replaced the "Tail/Main" relay. Had to wait on temp to drop again, as it normally starts when warm. Rode it most of the weekend with no issues. This morning it was 50 degrees F and once again the cruise lights did not come on and it would not start.

@seelyark1 - The only reason I mention the lights is for additional troubleshooting if needed. Would you be able to give me some examples of additional Ground connections? I'm still new to working on my own and would not know where to start.

I appreciate all of your help and will hopefully be able to get her running in the cold so that I do not miss my trip this coming Friday.

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by bellboy40 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:10 am

Try swapping out the ignition/cruise relay and see if that helps.

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by virgilmobile » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:20 pm

It appears that your loosing volts in said circuit.
Suspects are as mentioned.#8 cruise/ignition relay.Loose connections on the kill switch contacts.Loss of power at the fuse #11


I should know not to go from memory.Sorry.

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by seelyark1 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:36 am

Wish I had the book for that year model, but if the ground for the bank angle sensor is bad, it shuts down that whole circuit. On a 2000, the book shows that ground on the frame near the dipstick. Hope that helps.
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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by Megreenusmc1969 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:10 pm

I worked with this issue over and over again for a couple of years now. I will find out in the morning if it is fixed permanently, the temp is dropping tonight. I found a great place that specializes in Goldwing Trikes of all years. I was going to have it just replace the Start/Kill/Cruise switch completely as I had found that the man I purchased this from had done some rewiring of his own and pieces were missing from inside the switch. Turns out he did more than that. The repairman had to rewire the Cruise control completely in order to get everything working with the brand new OEM switch. Everytime it would not start, the Cruise control lights would not do the flash on and off when I turned on the key, but if it was warm it would work perfectly. Not sure what he did, but fingers crossed it now works.

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by seelyark1 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:41 pm

Still interested, did it fix the problem? Sure hope so, as that is a long time to wait for a fix.
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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by Megreenusmc1969 » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:45 am

Unfortunately the issue still is not resolved. Not sure where to go from here. I cannot get it started unless it is above 64 degrees. Normally I can turn on the key, see all lights on the dash flash, push down then choke and then I am able to turn it over with no issue. If it is below 65 degrees, I turn on the key, all lights on the dash flash, except for the Cruise lights, push down the choke and when I try to turn it over I do see the headlights dim, but only hear a click. If I keep the key turned all the way on and let it sit there for about 10 minutes, then I can turn it off, then back on and I see the all of the lights on the dash flash, push down the choke and I am able to turn it over with no issue. I have used this a couple of times when I had no other alternative, but I do not always have this luxury and do not want to take a chance on getting stranded with my wife on the back. She is disabled and likes to ride on occasion when she feels good, but I do not want to take her out if there is going to be a slight dip in the temperature.

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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by 2003Cobra » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:32 am

Megreenusmc1969 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:45 am
Unfortunately the issue still is not resolved. Not sure where to go from here. I cannot get it started unless it is above 64 degrees. Normally I can turn on the key, see all lights on the dash flash, push down then choke and then I am able to turn it over with no issue. If it is below 65 degrees, I turn on the key, all lights on the dash flash, except for the Cruise lights, push down the choke and when I try to turn it over I do see the headlights dim, but only hear a click. If I keep the key turned all the way on and let it sit there for about 10 minutes, then I can turn it off, then back on and I see the all of the lights on the dash flash, push down the choke and I am able to turn it over with no issue. I have used this a couple of times when I had no other alternative, but I do not always have this luxury and do not want to take a chance on getting stranded with my wife on the back. She is disabled and likes to ride on occasion when she feels good, but I do not want to take her out if there is going to be a slight dip in the temperature.
It sounds like you have a bad circuit board some where that has a slight brake in a run so when it is above 65* the connection is made and below it opens. Unfortunately I'm familiar with the 1500 but maybe someone who is could suggest component in the start circuit.
I totally understand about not wanting to take the wife out on the chance of getting stranded. My wife is also disabled and if we got stranded it would not be a good scene. Good luck finding the issue.
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Re: 1991 GL1500a Trike Will not start

Post by ct1500 » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:00 pm

Megreenusmc1969 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:45 am
Unfortunately the issue still is not resolved. Not sure where to go from here. I cannot get it started unless it is above 64 degrees. Normally I can turn on the key, see all lights on the dash flash, push down then choke and then I am able to turn it over with no issue. If it is below 65 degrees, I turn on the key, all lights on the dash flash, except for the Cruise lights, push down the choke and when I try to turn it over I do see the headlights dim, but only hear a click. If I keep the key turned all the way on and let it sit there for about 10 minutes, then I can turn it off, then back on and I see the all of the lights on the dash flash, push down the choke and I am able to turn it over with no issue.
Sounds like you are losing voltage with the no "cruise on" light. One of my first checks would be ign/cruise relay and verify it is indeed closing/completing the circuit when it is acting up and follow it downstream from there.


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