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gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by hotrodpearl » Wed May 23, 2018 1:31 am



Still struggling with my weaving problem so
am going to replace the swing arm bearings on my 2006 . Have done everything else on Wing Admins list of potential problems , steering stem bearings , fork seals and bushings , both tires , final drive , front wheel bearings , swingarm retorque , preload adjustments , multible retorques on steering stem , front and rear wheel run outs , frame alignment measurements.........etc . Has anyone done it and how a big a job is it.........? Any suggestions....? I have the 2006 Honda service manual and I know the flat rate is 4,7 hrs for a pro (for what that's worth) which usually adds up to double or triple and I will have to build some special tools which is doable . Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated .....THANKS



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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by peppilepew » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:39 am

I am having what may be a similar problem. Changing the diff today. Mine is seeping oil and has some play. I don't know how much play is normal. I hit second gear pretty hard and felt the back end shift to the right. The instability and additional throttle needed occurred just after. Nobody seems to have an answer.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by hotrodpearl » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:57 pm

had to back off steering stem torque to 12 lbs to get rid of my weave.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by peppilepew » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:21 am

That's interesting. I replaced mine with tapered back in 14. They loosened, or the races weren't fully seated so I did a, okay, that seems tight enough without a torque wrench. The worst part of that job, which anyone that has done stem bearings knows, is getting the electrical connector plugs apart. Interesting, what were your's torqued to when you had the issue?

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:52 am

hotrodpearl wrote:
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Have done everything else on Wing Admins list of potential problems , steering stem bearings ...
What did you torque your steering head bearings to ???
Did you use a high quality 3/8" drive torque wrench that has accuracy ???
How many lbs of pull on the forks when testing it with a fish scale ???

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by peppilepew » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:23 pm

I re-torqued the stem bearings today to 25 lbs. They were loose. Didn't correct the instability. I am concentrating on swing arm, and front axle/bearings.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by peppilepew » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:49 am

I know someone has the answer out there. I am going away in ten days and can't take the entire suspension apart looking. I'm capable. I have neither the desire, time, or interest in throwing money at it.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:03 pm

peppilepew wrote:
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I re-torqued the stem bearings today to 25 lbs. They were loose. Didn't correct the instability. I am concentrating on swing arm, and front axle/bearings.
I've never found the need to tighten those bearings to 25 ft/lbs. My finally judgement depends on the fish-scale method. Usually the torque ends up being between 17-20 lbs. If your bearings were loose, could they have been damaged ??? Also, front wheel bearings can be inspected by reaching in and checking them with your finger. Any roughness felt while turning them is bad. Is your front axle true ???

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by peppilepew » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:43 pm

It was true. I haven't hit anything so I have to assume it is. I have OEM Bridgestones on it with about 5k on them. Is it possible I slipped a belt? The front end dances. It is less stable on left turns than right. This condition was instantaneous. Wouldn't bad stem bearings deteriorate with time? The bike turns with me leaning and the handle bars return to center. All-Balls recommends 28-30 which I thought was too much. No decel wobble. I also have traxxion front suspension and a progressive rear spring. Have you seen swing arm problems on these?

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:40 am

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It was true. I haven't hit anything so I have to assume it is. I have OEM Bridgestones on it with about 5k on them. Is it possible I slipped a belt? The front end dances. It is less stable on left turns than right. This condition was instantaneous. Wouldn't bad stem bearings deteriorate with time? The bike turns with me leaning and the handle bars return to center. All-Balls recommends 28-30 which I thought was too much. No decel wobble. I also have traxxion front suspension and a progressive rear spring. Have you seen swing arm problems on these?
A shifted belt will cause a tire to no longer be round or become egg shaped. It can affect one side of a tire making turns on that side more challenging. To check ... get the front tire off the ground. While sitting in front of it, spin it while looking between the tread and the floor. Look for abnormalities while it spins.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by peppilepew » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:32 pm

GoldWingrGreg wrote:
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peppilepew wrote:
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It was true. I haven't hit anything so I have to assume it is. I have OEM Bridgestones on it with about 5k on them. Is it possible I slipped a belt? The front end dances. It is less stable on left turns than right. This condition was instantaneous. Wouldn't bad stem bearings deteriorate with time? The bike turns with me leaning and the handle bars return to center. All-Balls recommends 28-30 which I thought was too much. No decel wobble. I also have traxxion front suspension and a progressive rear spring. Have you seen swing arm problems on these?
A shifted belt will cause a tire to no longer be round or become egg shaped. It can affect one side of a tire making turns on that side more challenging. To check ... get the front tire off the ground. While sitting in front of it, spin it while looking between the tread and the floor. Look for abnormalities while it spins.
Well it appears that there is internal damage to one of my front Traxxion converted forks. 18K miles and something has failed. Taking them apart tomorrow.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:40 am

Glad you found something more definitive. How did you discover the fork problem ???

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Post by peppilepew » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:37 am

In part by process of elimination. The front end is bouncier and making a clunking noise while compressing the front end. Trying to contact Traxxion now. I still intend to check the swing arm. Tools came yesterday. I will keep everyone updated, and post the final solution.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by peppilepew » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:10 pm

Well, I am at my wits end. Ready to dump the POS in the river. Replaced stem bearings, tires, diff and installed a good used set of forks. The stem bearings were wiped out. Swing arm tools came, but the parts won't be here till monday. They are at the post office. It is down to a bad pivot assy for swing arm, cracked frame or the shock/spring. The back end is flat. It is low and won't come up. No oil leaking so it may be the progressive spring. Bike dances all over the road like there isn't enough weight on the front. I would suggest to people that they not buy Traxxion and expect a smooth ride. Their springs are far too stiff. I don't care for them. 10 months of planning a vacation down to the smokies and deals gap and this happens. POS! I actually can't feel the road through the handlebars.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by hotrodpearl » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:16 am

I replaced my steering stem bearings with all balls and the Bike felt better but only if I left the steering stem torque at 12 lbs . After a few rides my dissatisfaction again got the best of me and so I removed the Traxxion triple tree again and put the OEM triple tree and upper fork brace back in with new Honda OEM Ball bearings / seals and the bike handles flawless again. I'm just telling you what worked for me , not attacking All Balls or Traxxion , just saying that did not work for me...………. and yes , the bearing were installed correctly ,race seats were clean and undamaged , poly urea grease used , and everything else per the Honda Service manual , ( this is not my first rodeo ) I'm back having fun again and after 50 years of riding and wrenching I'm more convinced of staying with OEM parts...….

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by hotrodpearl » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:49 am

peppilepew ….. Sorry to hear about your frustration......been there...done that so I'm just throwing Ideas out there . A mechanic once told me if the "dancing" or "weaving" was rhythmic or has a repeating pattern to it then its 90 % likely front end ( 1. steering stem , 2. bent fork or damaged fork suspension parts , 3. Front Wheel bearings or bent wheel , 4. separating front tire ) 10% chance its bent or damaged frame or bent rear wheel . The rhythm is created by the giro effect of the bike as it tries to compensate for mechanical restriction . However If the "dancing" or wandering is Random , not repeating or patterned its probably bad wheel bearings front or rear , broken frame , swing arm bearings or swing arm damage...……………. or during the night , someone , unbeknowns to you , stuck a 90 LB anvil in one of your saddlebags and created a slight imbalance...... :)

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by peppilepew » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:49 am

hotrodpearl wrote:
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peppilepew ….. Sorry to hear about your frustration......been there...done that so I'm just throwing Ideas out there . A mechanic once told me if the "dancing" or "weaving" was rhythmic or has a repeating pattern to it then its 90 % likely front end ( 1. steering stem , 2. bent fork or damaged fork suspension parts , 3. Front Wheel bearings or bent wheel , 4. separating front tire ) 10% chance its bent or damaged frame or bent rear wheel . The rhythm is created by the giro effect of the bike as it tries to compensate for mechanical restriction . However If the "dancing" or wandering is Random , not repeating or patterned its probably bad wheel bearings front or rear , broken frame , swing arm bearings or swing arm damage...……………. or during the night , someone , unbeknowns to you , stuck a 90 LB anvil in one of your saddlebags and created a slight imbalance...... :)
Funny that you said in the future there will be nothing but OEM parts. I had just that conversation yesterday. I'm not looking for an argument with anyone, but Traxxion springs are designed for sport bikes. They ride way too firm for my liking. A motorcycle tech described the front end as unresponsive. It handles large bumps nicely, and small ones terribly. The bars just bounce on small imperfections in the road surface. If I knew what I know now, I would stick with factory stem bearings, and do something different with the forks. Honda has R+D teams that test different solutions. I am sure they would install what works best. I am going into the shop today to further investigate cracked frame, damaged swing arm/bearings or a bad spring/shock. I actually felt the rear shift right, and heard a noise when hitting second a couple of weeks ago. It was right after that all of this began.

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Post by peppilepew » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:05 am

Update: I have accepted the fact that there will be no motorcycle for this vacation. I could dedicate no more time into this learning experience, and expect to be able to leave. The swing arm bearings came yesterday, but I am just out of time. Reluctantly loading the bike onto my ramp this morning and dropping it off at the dealership. Bless me my son, I am not a person that has much patience for BS, or incompetence. I know they won't listen to what I have to say, they will do everything I have done over again. They have it for three weeks anyway. I expect to lose it for the season. :(

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Post by themainviking » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:03 am

I put progressive springs in my forks, as I was told I would gain an inch in height if I put Traxxion in. I could not compensate for even an extra inch, so, Progressive Dynamics it was. I have been totally happy. The springs were something like $90.
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Post by peppilepew » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:22 pm

Dropped at the dealer for their evaluation. They didn't call me right away so that tells me they agree there is a problem.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by WingAdmin » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:36 pm

peppilepew wrote:
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Dropped at the dealer for their evaluation. They didn't call me right away so that tells me they agree there is a problem.
Let us know what they decide it is!

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by JoeHall » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:37 pm

This thread confirms what I was thinking. I have watched several youtube videos by Traxxion, and their approach seems to first convince that the OEM suspension is inferior, then introduce their products, as a badly needed fix. Having ridden a GL1500 for 50,000 miles 20 years ago, I do not recall any problems with its OEM suspension. Now having ridden the new-to-me 2008 GL1800 almost 3000 miles in the last three weeks, I am not convinced anything needs to be fixed on it either. At least not for now, with only 12,000 miles on the bike.

Maybe someday I'll replace the OEM rear shock with the 2012 and later OEM shock, and a Progressive rear spring while at it. But only after the current ones wear out, hopefully in 50,000 or more. As for the front, I may install tapered bearings someday. But again, only if/when the OEMs wear out.

I have installed Progressive front springs in several Harleys and BMWs over the years, always with positive results. (Smoother ride, yet firmer when needed.) So if ever inside the GL1800s front suspension anyway, I may install Progressive then, but only then, and not just for the sake of doing it.

To the OP, sorry to hear about your misfortune. Disrupted plans, and having to go on vacation without the bike really is the pits. Hopefully you will keep us posted on what the problem(s) turn out to be.

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Post by peppilepew » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:11 pm

I do have an update. The dealer claims it's the stem bearings torque. Asked them to re-torque and guarantee that it would solve the issue. They wouldn't. I guess that means they didn't know. I got the impression that they didn't want to get involved. I asked why the condition came on full, and not gradual. I got the usual BS. So when I get home from vacation I will torque to Traxxion Dynamics recommend numbers. It was a blessing the bike didn't cooperate. We would have been killed on one of the interstate highways. Taking the bike with my wife, and a trailer through new jersey is a death wish. More to come later.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:36 pm

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I do have an update. The dealer claims it's the stem bearings torque. Asked them to re-torque and guarantee that it would solve the issue. They wouldn't. I guess that means they didn't know. I got the impression that they didn't want to get involved. I asked why the condition came on full, and not gradual. I got the usual BS. So when I get home from vacation I will torque to Traxxion Dynamics recommend numbers. It was a blessing the bike didn't cooperate. We would have been killed on one of the interstate highways. Taking the bike with my wife, and a trailer through new jersey is a death wish. More to come later.
Traxxion recommendations are for their triple tree, and the 28-30 ft/lbs on the slip of paper in the ALBall box is probably a CYA to make their poor quality steel races that are made with Chinese steel last longer. If you're at 25ft/lbs 23 is not much less. As stated in post #8, usually I tighten them 17-20 ft/lbs. I also use a fish scale. I like my pull to be between 4-6lbs. Once they are installed, knowing that the feel is correct requires experience. However, one thing I always look for is this. While traveling down the road between 35-40mph, I will always push light left and then right with my hands off the bars. I'm expecting the bars to return to center. If yours are to tight, they will either stay in their left/right position, or return to center very slow. Unfortunately, the word slow is a subjective description. To resolve your issue will always include trial and error choices. Your Honda dealer was probably offering good advice. As for your final drive, it should have no perceptible side to side movement. The same is true for the rear swing arm bearings.

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Re: gl1800 swingarm bearing replacement

Post by peppilepew » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:11 pm

I got home from vacation Thursday. I picked up the bike yesterday and worked on it today. I purchased a fish scale and set the turning force to about 4.5 lbs. The dealer did the brake recall which fixed the occasional dragging of the brakes. The torque procedure fixed the stability issue. The stem bearings were too tight.



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