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Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by filupsd » Thu May 31, 2018 8:43 am



Last week I changed the oil in my 84 gl1200 using the Delo 15-40 HD oil many here on the forum recommend. Now I am experiencing noisy idle and hard shifts, especially between 1st and 2nd. This also affects shifting into Neutral with the motor running so I have to shut down the motor to get to neutral.

Any thoughts are appreciated.



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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by WingAdmin » Thu May 31, 2018 8:47 am

filupsd wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 8:43 am
Last week I changed the oil in my 84 gl1200 using the Delo 15-40 HD oil many here on the forum recommend. Now I am experiencing noisy idle and hard shifts, especially between 1st and 2nd. This also affects shifting into Neutral with the motor running so I have to shut down the motor to get to neutral.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
Obviously your bike does not like this oil. The 40 weight is correct, but it sounds like the clutch is coupling a bit more than it should be when using it.

My GL1500 does not like non-synthetic oil. When I use non-synthetic, I get noisy, difficult shifts like you describe. When I put Mobil 1 synthetic into it, the transmission shifts smoothly and effortlessly. It sounds like you need to try a different oil and find one that your bike (clutch, mostly) likes.

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by CrystalPistol » Thu May 31, 2018 4:37 pm

filupsd wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 8:43 am
Last week I changed the oil in my 84 gl1200 using the Delo 15-40 HD oil many here on the forum recommend. Now I am experiencing noisy idle and hard shifts, especially between 1st and 2nd. This also affects shifting into Neutral with the motor running so I have to shut down the motor to get to neutral.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
Reads to me like your clutch hydraulic line needs a bleeding. If it gets air in it, travel at the slave is reduced.

I have a '85 and a '97, both love the Delo 15w40 HD oil.
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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by WingAdmin » Thu May 31, 2018 9:47 pm

CrystalPistol wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 4:37 pm
filupsd wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 8:43 am
Last week I changed the oil in my 84 gl1200 using the Delo 15-40 HD oil many here on the forum recommend. Now I am experiencing noisy idle and hard shifts, especially between 1st and 2nd. This also affects shifting into Neutral with the motor running so I have to shut down the motor to get to neutral.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
Reads to me like your clutch hydraulic line needs a bleeding. If it gets air in it, travel at the slave is reduced.

I have a '85 and a '97, both love the Delo 15w40 HD oil.
I'd also say this - except that the hard shifting started when he changed the oil. It's possible the clutch line needs bleeding, but if you change one thing (the type of oil), and suddenly things stop working as well, then chances are, the thing you changed is going to be the culprit.

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by gervais » Thu May 31, 2018 10:43 pm

hi
if i may ask,
the T6 Shell is good in the syntech oil,

is there any other brand off synthetic oil that we can used??in the GL1200.

i never seens the T6 lower that 48$ a 4.4 liters ,,,in the Mobil world,is there an oil??

thanks

i am usin the T4 here but since i tried the Drano stuff SeaFoam,,i think i add some in my oil change and the T4 become so thin,,i will have to changed it again but i would like to try a syntech now.

gervais

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu May 31, 2018 10:47 pm

I have used T5 with good results, currently using T6.

prices are not so radical here in Oklahoma. about half what you stated.

Today, while rummaging thru the shed, I found 3 jugs of Delo 400 15w40 that are about 10 years old.
so they have to be the "Good Stuff"
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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by gervais » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:24 am

well
i have been a user of Castrol Syntech for as long as i can remember and i found it not funny that i cannot used her in my old GL1200.

the oil need to be JASO ,right???
and MA if i recall corectly?

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:55 am

gervais wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:24 am
well
i have been a user of Castrol Syntech for as long as i can remember and i found it not funny that i cannot used her in my old GL1200.

the oil need to be JASO ,right???
and MA if i recall corectly?

gervais

you should be able to use the Rotella T5 oil w/o any problems.
it never hurt the clutch on my 1800 nor that of 1,000s of other users of it.

http://rotella.shell.com/products/full- ... il/t5.html
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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by filupsd » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:20 pm

Hey guys, always great feedback here on the forum. I wasn't sure how sensitive different motors can be but I guess oil can be like ammo have to use the right one to make it run right. I will drop the oil out tonight and try the Mobil 1.
Crystalpistol The thought had crossed my mind also because I rebuilt the main and slave in the clutch but did use a bleeder to get all the air out of the line. But it does feel just like when the slave was bad.

Thanks guys

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by gervais » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:11 pm

Hi,
what Mobil 1 will you try?


i thaught this oil is not good for GL1200 ?

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by filupsd » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:07 pm

Wingadmin. Which Mobil 1 do you suggest? I see 10w40. In the diesel section. Would that work?

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by themainviking » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:21 am

As was mentioned above, read the bottle. JASO MA/MA2 on the label is the key. If this is present, the oil is suitable for use where there is a wet clutch. Other than that, 10W30 and 10W40 are both suggested by the manufacturer, depending on the ambient temperatures in the area where you operate the motorcycle. Mobil 1, full synthetic, is an excellent oil for your motorcycle, as long as you have no spot marking going on (leaking). Synthetics in older machinery can cause any leaking to get worse, or on occasion to stop, if they swell gaskets instead of just cleaning crud. Shell's T-6 synthetic is also an excellent choice as long as it is JASO MA/MA2 certified - some shell oils are not. I personally use nothing but Amsoil, and they have formulated oil for every purpose that I have, so I use it in all my motorcycles, cars and trucks, and their grease to lube bearings and hinges. Due to the controversy in the recent past over Castrol's use of the term synthetic, to mean that it had some synthetic additives in their dino oil, I pretty much avoid Castrol, Quaker State, Havoline and Valvoline synthetic oils. I am not saying they are not good products. I am just saying that I do not know. As often as some people change their oil, I do not believe that synthetics are essential to the operation and wear prevention of their bikes, but if you want to go a bit further, as in taking a long trip, synthetics can ensure your machine is protected without necessarily having to do oil changes along the way.

From what I can see, I do not see a Mobil 1 synthetic oil specifically formulated for our bikes. They have one for V Twins, which actually means Air Cooled Harleys, and one they call a Racing A/T. The Racing A/T 10W40 may be the only thing they have that is suitable for Goldwings.
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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by gervais » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:45 am

well
i checked at canadian tire yesterday,
i could not find in the big brands any that had Jaso or MA2 .

like many are saying i found regular Shell T4 and 6.

there are some individual pint but at over 11$ each pint it is over my budget.

i will wait if ever the T6 comes in special

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by filupsd » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:14 pm

I found Mobile 1 15w-40 in the diesel or heavy duty section it the local O’Riely’s. The JASC MA2 was the last designation on the list. Seems to have helped but still a bit of an issue. Going to see my mechanic next week.

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by gervais » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:59 pm

well
if she is Jaso MA2 you are ok.

on my Shell T4 15w40 thats what i have and many owners are using this oil .

the T6 from shell is syntek but twice the price and i never see her in special,,,

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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by Rednaxs60 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:39 pm

There are two JASO standards. JASO MA for wet clutch applications, no friction modifiers, and JASO MA2 for use with catalytic converters and wet clutches, no friction modifiers. If you do not have a catalytic converter either JASO works. Standard came out in 1999 well after your bike was built. Honda used the automotive industry SAE standard so just about any oil can be used in the 1200 providing there are no friction modifiers in the oil. Look for oil that has the API donut lower half blank - European formulas do not use friction modifiers, non I have found anyways, and meet the standard in your owner's manual - back then it was SE or SF. The owner's manual also mentioned that it is not necessary to use additives, and recommends a high detergent, premium quality motor oil that meets or exceeds the SE/SF standard.

Here is a picture of the API donut without any additional additives.


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Re: Changed the oil now hard shifts

Post by gervais » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:53 am

well
maybe a file where we would fing the name of good oil would be great.

maybe someone have start it somewhere in the group ernest!!!

i am confused by all of this,,
i will finish by buying the Honda OEM oil if they sell syntech for the GL1200

gervais



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