Do you look thru


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Do you look thru

Post by Ken Scourse » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:24 am



So I'm New to touring bikes and have been told that really should not look through the windshield but to adjust it so that I look above it.
True or false?



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Re: Do you look thru

Post by alwrmcusn » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:48 am

It's a personal choice. I changed from a "See Thru" to a "See Over" after a ride down the Cherohala Skyway about 8-9 years ago in a torrential rain storm. The rain on the windscreen and on my faceshield made seeing really difficult. That ride was the final straw for me. I ordered a shorter screen (I had a Venture at the time) and found it was perfect for me. I still get rain on my faceshield but it's only half of what I had with a taller windscreen.
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Ken Scourse » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:59 am

Thanks alwrnusm
I guess I'm gonna have to find a shorter screen
I've lowered mine all the way and now have the rim of it right in my vision LoL

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:09 am

There is nothing wrong with looking through an OEM windscreen. Honda makes theirs with 0 distortion. For me the aftermarket ones can take some getting used to. Weather you look above or through is a personal choice.

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Spaceman7015 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:40 pm

I agree, it's preference. I keep mine just below my eyes.

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Dark Angel » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:50 pm

I look through, if raining and in the sun I look through my bifocals, inner sun visor, outer visor and shield. No issues.
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by C-dub » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:23 pm

I'm still experimenting with different heights on my OEM windscreen. After about 2-3k miles I was certain I would upgrade to an F4 Customs +4. Now, at almost 10k I'm not so sure.

When I bought it 11 months ago I started out with it all the way down and I could see over the top by several inches. I gradually raised it, trying each height for a week or so and "decided" I liked it all the way up and looking through. However, I was still only barely looking through it and started to slouch in order to do so without having the top be really close to my line of sight.

Coming around to summer again I'm finding that I like riding with it down low so that I'm looking over it when it's hot out. Conversely, I like having it up high and looking through it when it is cold. The real grey area is between 60-80 degrees F. It's okay when all the way down, but I can also easily see over it one level up and the wind still hits the top vent on my helmet. That second level up, third height overall, takes the wind over my helmet and now wind hit its vent, but I can still see over the screen.

So, now I'm much less certain about the +4 because it is not adjustable. I'll probably stick with the OEM screen for a while longer, while toying with the idea of an adjustable +2. That will completely depend on the height at the lowest point and whether or not it will allow the wind to hit the top of my helmet to get circulation through the vent.
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Mountain rider » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:51 pm

Take a look at the Madstad windshields. You can look through or over, or change the angle to direct air up and over you and your passenger. AZgl1800 swears by his, hence the reason I'm saving my pennies for one on Black Beauty. I love the clear view from looking over personally. Good luck in your search for what's right for you.

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by C-dub » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:10 pm

Mountain rider wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:51 pm
Take a look at the Madstad windshields. You can look through or over, or change the angle to direct air up and over you and your passenger. AZgl1800 swears by his, hence the reason I'm saving my pennies for one on Black Beauty. I love the clear view from looking over personally. Good luck in your search for what's right for you.
Thanks. I will consider those. Price wise they seem comparable to the F4 Custom shields. Maybe even a little less.
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:20 pm

Mountain rider wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:51 pm
Take a look at the Madstad windshields. You can look through or over, or change the angle to direct air up and over you and your passenger. AZgl1800 swears by his, hence the reason I'm saving my pennies for one on Black Beauty. I love the clear view from looking over personally. Good luck in your search for what's right for you.
I looked thru 3 Tulsa Tall windshields for years and years, two 1500s and my 1800.....

then I changed out the 1800 to an Optic Armor windshield, again a +4 with a vent.

we bought a Toy Hauler and the +4 windshield won't ride up into the garage, so that forced me to get something else...

well, I have been eyeballing the Madstads for years, and just never could get used to the look of it from a picture.....

But once you get behind that Madstad, you will change your mind about looks.
it is all in the mind and comfort of the rider, and for me, it is Madstad all the way now.

my body can't stand temps over 80*F anymore due to a bad accident.
With the Madstand, I can reach up while riding and lower it all the way to the bottom, which is about 6 inches below my eyeline.... that lets the air stream flow on my face and thru the vents in my Shoei Modular helmet....

I have never had a helmet that was "cool enough" to ride in, and all of mine have been vented.....
the "see thru" windshields block the air from hitting your helmet, and thus I was hot.

I am very comfortable now, if the temps are cold, I raise it up to +4 again.
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by themainviking » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:23 am

My personal choice is to look over, but as the day gets long and I slouch a bit, I am looking sorta over and through. I try to sit up and look over. I could use a half inch less windscreen, but it is what it is. I have the OEM windscreen, set to it's lowest point.
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Wingsconsin » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:00 am

For over 100,000 miles I looked THROUGH a Tall Tulsa on my 1500 -
It was great - no wind, nearly perfect visibility (most of the time) - adn the slope of the Tulsa gave me an aerodynamic advantage over the OEM

I DID NOT LIKE IT in FOG -- It was terrible - I couldn't see anything so I rode standing up for miles some days just to see if I got into a fog bank -

My new-to-me 1800 came with the V-Stream Vented Regular (not extra thick) and I like it -
I look OVER that windscreen and with a flip down face shield on my Nolan N40 helmet it is the best -
Adjustability also plays into the windscreen choice - I can adjust mine UP for freeway riding and the wind goes OVER my head -
OR slide it down for twisty riding and have nearly zero interference visually and plenty of cooling air flow -
The downside of the V Stream (thin) is it does shake a little in 'dirty' air - in traffic around semi's and the like it can bend and wobble a bit
But in 'Clean" air it is really a good design - except where the V's are in the windscreen - that causes some distortion but I don;t see it anymore.

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Re: Do you look thru

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by GramKate » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:45 am

This is one of those issues that my husband and I disagree on. He prefers to look through while I prefer to look over. After being caught in heavy rain on one trip and dense fog on another, I knew that I didn't want to look through the shield. I may get a bit more wind buffeting than he does, but I'll take that over poor visibility any time.

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by MasterDaniel904 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:44 am

At 6' 2" I've always looked over. With the OEM I almost have to lay on the tank to see through (which I have done in bad rain, and sleet storms in Chicago). Out here in New Mexico the extra air flow across the face and helmet are absolutely necessary on days when the thermometer on the dash shows temps on the road at 150 degrees Fahrenheit plus! (Really! I have pics!)
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:09 am

MasterDaniel904 wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:44 am
At 6' 2" I've always looked over. With the OEM I almost have to lay on the tank to see through (which I have done in bad rain, and sleet storms in Chicago). Out here in New Mexico the extra air flow across the face and helmet are absolutely necessary on days when the thermometer on the dash shows temps on the road at 150 degrees Fahrenheit plus! (Really! I have pics!)
I lived in the Phoenix/Mesa Arizona area for 20 years.
I carried an IR temp gun with me all the time, and have measured asphalt temps at 159*F on the highways.

if the air is calm, it will get hotter than that even, that is when you see the tar puddling and running out of the cracks.
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:35 am

AZgl1800 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:09 am
MasterDaniel904 wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:44 am
At 6' 2" I've always looked over. With the OEM I almost have to lay on the tank to see through (which I have done in bad rain, and sleet storms in Chicago). Out here in New Mexico the extra air flow across the face and helmet are absolutely necessary on days when the thermometer on the dash shows temps on the road at 150 degrees Fahrenheit plus! (Really! I have pics!)
I lived in the Phoenix/Mesa Arizona area for 20 years.
I carried an IR temp gun with me all the time, and have measured asphalt temps at 159*F on the highways.

if the air is calm, it will get hotter than that even, that is when you see the tar puddling and running out of the cracks.
IR gun, that would be a neat gadget for the bike. Buy one of those cheap Harbor Freight guns, take it apart and wire it to be powered from the bike, and install it so the sensor is protected, pointing down at the asphalt. Then mount the display somewhere visible.

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by airedale » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:14 pm

I'm right at 6'1" and have never had a windshield tall enough see through, the top of them sits just at my eye height so I always lower them. I generally don't have problems but I wear a full face helment to ward off bugs and road debris.

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Wildwilly018 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:51 pm

My windshield is down to lowest position, but still look thru top 3 or 4 inches of it. Thought about cutting it down a bit so I can see over a bit which with the height adjustment, could still be brought up if needed. Was in a bad fog friday morning for about 1 and half to 2 hrs and it was hell to see. Had to keep reaching up and over with a cloth to keep a spot open to see.

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Raj » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:28 pm

Wildwilly018 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:51 pm
My windshield is down to lowest position, but still look thru top 3 or 4 inches of it. Thought about cutting it down a bit so I can see over a bit which with the height adjustment, could still be brought up if needed. Was in a bad fog friday morning for about 1 and half to 2 hrs and it was hell to see. Had to keep reaching up and over with a cloth to keep a spot open to see.
When I got my 96 1500, it had a tall windshield that was not comfortable to look through.
I got to work with the masking tape and the jig saw and took about ten inches off the top.
I polished up the edge with a 1" BELT sander and now I can see over the top.
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by NKYWinger » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:09 am

alwrmcusn wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:48 am
It's a personal choice. I changed from a "See Thru" to a "See Over" after a ride down the Cherohala Skyway about 8-9 years ago in a torrential rain storm..
I changed as well; used to have a Tulsa Tall, now I look over a more normal windshield. Same issues with rain.
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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Wildwilly018 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:55 pm

Raj wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:28 pm
Wildwilly018 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:51 pm
My windshield is down to lowest position, but still look thru top 3 or 4 inches of it. Thought about cutting it down a bit so I can see over a bit which with the height adjustment, could still be brought up if needed. Was in a bad fog friday morning for about 1 and half to 2 hrs and it was hell to see. Had to keep reaching up and over with a cloth to keep a spot open to see.
When I got my 96 1500, it had a tall windshield that was not comfortable to look through.
I got to work with the masking tape and the jig saw and took about ten inches off the top.
I polished up the edge with a 1" BELT sander and now I can see over the top.
If you don't relish the thought of carving up your own w/s, most glass shops can heĺp you out with that.
I might do this also. Did have windshield cut down on my 86 Venture yrs ago. It didn't have height adjustment.

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Spaceman7015 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:03 pm

Went for a ride in the rain today, down pour actually, I looked over and yes I was tempted to raise the shield, but even in the down pour I just felt more comfortable looking at the road surface through my helmet visor.

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Re: Do you look thru

Post by Ken Scourse » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:52 am

themainviking wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:23 am
My personal choice is to look over, but as the day gets long and I slouch a bit, I am looking sorta over and through. I try to sit up and look over. I could use a half inch less windscreen, but it is what it is. I have the OEM windscreen, set to it's lowest point.
This is exactly the spot I am in and well
Would love to cut off top of shield by 2inches but nervous to try



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