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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:33 am



ekvh wrote:
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I’ve never looked at the inside of a right angled fill stem, but it looks like the beads could collect in the metal tube portion and create problems as it could use up quite a few beads on that side.

I see Dyna sells a straight valve with a screen/filter on it to prevent this on straight stems.

Anyone run into problems with this? Perhaps the bulge on the inside of the rim is enough to keep them out?
I have metal right angled valve stems on my 1800, and there is zero problems with pushing the Dyna Beads thru the valve stems. I laid the wheel on its' side/counter top with the stem looking up vertical.

Used the bottle and plastic tubing supplied by Dyna Beads and just press/release press/release a few times and the beads just go right in... no trouble at all.

I have not done this yet with the straight rubber valve stems, but can't see why it would not work equally as well with the wheel standing up vertical with the valve stem at the bottom of the wheel.


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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:42 am

AZgl1800 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:33 am
ekvh wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:56 am
I’ve never looked at the inside of a right angled fill stem, but it looks like the beads could collect in the metal tube portion and create problems as it could use up quite a few beads on that side.

I see Dyna sells a straight valve with a screen/filter on it to prevent this on straight stems.

Anyone run into problems with this? Perhaps the bulge on the inside of the rim is enough to keep them out?
I have metal right angled valve stems on my 1800, and there is zero problems with pushing the Dyna Beads thru the valve stems. I laid the wheel on its' side/counter top with the stem looking up vertical.

Used the bottle and plastic tubing supplied by Dyna Beads and just press/release press/release a few times and the beads just go right in... no trouble at all.

I have not done this yet with the straight rubber valve stems, but can't see why it would not work equally as well with the wheel standing up vertical with the valve stem at the bottom of the wheel.
Likewise, I have been using the beads on my 1500 for many years with metal angled valve stems with zero problems.

The filtered valve core is to prevent beads from getting into the valve core and sticking it open. I can't fit the filtered valve core into the angled stem, so I DO have this problem occasionally. The trick is to give a shot of compressed air into the valve before checking it, to ensure there aren't any beads there that might get pushed into the valve when it opens.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by Rednaxs60 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:27 am

Mentioned using beads in my bike tires to a local 4X4 shop owner. He was familiar with this technology and used it himself in his 4X4 monster tires, only thing that would balance this type of tire.
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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by ekvh » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:56 am

To clarify my question, can the beads travel back into the 90 degree stem and collect enough to cause an issue? Say you parked it with the stem right a bottom center, could the beads go in past the 90 and therefore make it heavier there than the other beads can balance?

I guess as long as there are enough beads it should still balance itself.

This may be worth a shot on my pickup. With E-rated tires they sometimes need a special type of balancing (dynamic balancing?) to remedy a shake at higher speeds. Quite a few Dodge guys claim they have to have thus done.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:11 am

ekvh wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:56 am
To clarify my question, can the beads travel back into the 90 degree stem and collect enough to cause an issue? Say you parked it with the stem right a bottom center, could the beads go in past the 90 and therefore make it heavier there than the other beads can balance?

I guess as long as there are enough beads it should still balance itself.

This may be worth a shot on my pickup. With E-rated tires they sometimes need a special type of balancing (dynamic balancing?) to remedy a shake at higher speeds. Quite a few Dodge guys claim they have to have thus done.
No, they cannot. The horizontal portion of the step is filled up with the valve core. The beads can (and probably do) collect in part of the vertical portion of the stem, but if they do, there aren't many - and they are more than balanced out by the beads remaining in the tire.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by seabeechief » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:43 pm

I use an electric engraving tool to lay against the valve stem to alleviate the "clumping" of the dyna beads. I have never been dissatisfied with the dyna beads, but I may try the counteract beads next tire change. Or not. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by ELC » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:25 pm

Is there a problem using either product with tubed tires? Driving a '78 GL1000.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:50 pm

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Is there a problem using either product with tubed tires? Driving a '78 GL1000.
Nope, they advertise that they work great in tubed tires, and I have used them in tubed tires with equal success.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by Robbin » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:05 am

Hi guys and gals,

I had purchased some 'Counteract' beads for my car, but after researching on their website, I found a warning that they work only on motorcycle and truck tires...because these have a relatively smooth inner surface, whereas car tires generally have a very defined chevron surface on the inside and that this will interfere with the ability of the small glass beads to spread properly and move around as tire wear and tear happens.

Hence, they do not recommend these for car tires.

Just saying...don't get caught uninformed and investigate before you just dump them into your car tires.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:52 pm

Robbin wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:05 am
Hi guys and gals,

I had purchased some 'Counteract' beads for my car, but after researching on their website, I found a warning that they work only on motorcycle and truck tires...because these have a relatively smooth inner surface, whereas car tires generally have a very defined chevron surface on the inside and that this will interfere with the ability of the small glass beads to spread properly and move around as tire wear and tear happens.

Hence, they do not recommend these for car tires.

Just saying...don't get caught uninformed and investigate before you just dump them into your car tires.

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I have a Michelin CT on my bike with Dyna Beads, and it runs smooth as glass.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by Robbin » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:51 am

Maybe 'Dynabeads' work on cars... but I just visited the 'Counteract' website and they still do not suggest their product for use on cars... so "BUYER BEWARE"!

...however I love them on my wing!

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by AZgl1800 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:01 pm

To get critical about it, it depends on the profile of the tire involved.

Extremely low profile tires that are very wide, have almost no sidewall:
you can't use beads, and that is direct from the Dyna Beads website.
That is because of the width, they must be Dynamically balanced or a "wobble effect" will occur when out of balance.

Taller tires, 60-70 series and taller do very well with beads
I am running the Michelin Alpin PA3 RF ZP 195/55-16 tire with Dyna Beads and that tire does great with Dyna Beads.

To just explicitly say that beads "cannot be used in car tires" is wrong.
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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by Robbin » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:40 pm

Hi John,

I am not stating that it is wrong to use them in car tires...I am saying that 'Counteract' (who claim to have invented these) do not promote them for use on car tires and when I asked them why, they told me that the chevron texture interferes with performance.

Hence, I just issued a 'HEADS UP' to everyone to be careful and watch for possible problems.

THAT's ALL.

Good Luck.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:28 pm

I was not aware that CounterAct was the first manufacturer of balancing beads...
that is interesting, especially as Dyna Beads are the most popular sellers.

I can appreciate that tires that would have a heavy texture could interfere with the beads operation, but, I added extra to my rear tire, used 4 oz just for grins and it worked like a champ for me.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by Oldbear » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:49 pm

I've been running Dynabeads for years now in my 83 Wing and now my 06 C50 with tube tires. They have always and will always work great. We tried Counteract in our Malibu Maxx tires and they didn't work - they don't move around the same as Dynabeads - the Counteract move and "stick" due to static cling (or so their website states). So a "spirited" driver like me has issues - tires would be balanced - take a corner at speed and suddenly the tires would shake - pull over and stop - now the tires are balanced again. Switched to Dynabeads and I haven't had any issue - I use Dnyabeads in my wife's Yukon too.

For those thinking its snake oil - watch the Dynabead video with the small wheelbarrow tire - it balances that just as they claim. Now, I haven't tried the experiment on my own but who has time for that during riding season.
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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by seelyark1 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:07 am

I had a problem with a tire that seemed to be out of balance and bought a package of Dyna Beads. When I got them, it seems that what I got was a bag of dust, so I never installed them. Upon further observance, what I found was a tire that didn't sit square on the rim. All this started after I was run into twice by a car on a curve that had put a side load on the tire. (I have a video of this guy running into me and trying to leave the scene. Police don't want to see it as I didn't call them at the time, not having a phone didn't help.) I have since replaced tires two times and have never found a need to balance any of the tires I have ever put on any of my several (10) motorcycles. Guess I am just lucky with tires. Been running a car tire on the rear for the last 30k and sure like how they out last mc tires.
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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by Oldbear » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:09 am

seelyark1 wrote:
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I had a problem with a tire that seemed to be out of balance and bought a package of Dyna Beads. When I got them, it seems that what I got was a bag of dust, so I never installed them. Upon further observance, what I found was a tire that didn't sit square on the rim. All this started after I was run into twice by a car on a curve that had put a side load on the tire. (I have a video of this guy running into me and trying to leave the scene. Police don't want to see it as I didn't call them at the time, not having a phone didn't help.) I have since replaced tires two times and have never found a need to balance any of the tires I have ever put on any of my several (10) motorcycles. Guess I am just lucky with tires. Been running a car tire on the rear for the last 30k and sure like how they out last mc tires.
One of the "old guys" here at work says that he has never balanced tires (big Harley) - he just mounted the dots near (or away from) the stem. But he has since got tires put on at my friend's motorbike shop and had Dynabeads installed - his bike shakes less now...
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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by Rednaxs60 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:43 am

Oldbear wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:09 am
seelyark1 wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:07 am
I had a problem with a tire that seemed to be out of balance and bought a package of Dyna Beads. When I got them, it seems that what I got was a bag of dust, so I never installed them. Upon further observance, what I found was a tire that didn't sit square on the rim. All this started after I was run into twice by a car on a curve that had put a side load on the tire. (I have a video of this guy running into me and trying to leave the scene. Police don't want to see it as I didn't call them at the time, not having a phone didn't help.) I have since replaced tires two times and have never found a need to balance any of the tires I have ever put on any of my several (10) motorcycles. Guess I am just lucky with tires. Been running a car tire on the rear for the last 30k and sure like how they out last mc tires.
One of the "old guys" here at work says that he has never balanced tires (big Harley) - he just mounted the dots near (or away from) the stem. But he has since got tires put on at my friend's motorbike shop and had Dynabeads installed - his bike shakes less now...
Fellow I know in northern Ontario uses Michelin Commander II tires on his HDs and does not balance, but carries Ride-On Tire Sealant and Balancing formula just in case. The Michelin rep mentioned that its tires have a good QA and don't need to be balanced. Still like having them balanced myself, have used Counter Act beads and the Ride-On formula - prefer the Ride-On formula. Cheers
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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by echinus1988 » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:18 pm

I'm not sure but I'll ask if anyone has an idea on this.

I was reading elsewhere about putting dyna beads into the trailer tires since those are not generally balanced. It sounds like the counteract beads might be a bit better.

I was looking at the counteract beads that you reviewed and figure the 2 oz packets would be just about right size for my tire. They're on a 1998 Bunkhouse trailer so the tires are not the bigger ones. The size is 5.70-8.

Is 2 oz too much for each tire or should I look for 1 oz packets? I'm new to this so I don't really know.

Thank you for any help or suggestions.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:06 pm

I would stick with the 2 oz packets.

the neat thing about beads, is "you can't have too much",

within reason of course.

that is, if 1.25 oz will balance the tire, and you put in 4 oz of beads, it will still be perfectly balanced.

the excess spreads around the circumferance of the tire...

and that is how I balanced my rear tire, 4 oz and "fer ged aboot it".

the front tire is an Avon RoadRider rear tire with heavier tread than the E3 it had...., so 2 oz and forget about it....

perfect balance, from zero to 100+ mph

as for my little tag along trailer, I wish I had put beads in it, will get that done sometime this winter.

figure about an 1 oz ought to be enough for a 5.70x8 tire
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Post by echinus1988 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:01 pm

That's exactly what I was trying to figure out. Can you put too much in?

I was figuring that you can't but knowing nothing about the dynabeads or anything like that it's hard to figure out. Thank you for the input.

I saw 2 - 2oz bags or counteract beads on Amazon and figure it can't hurt to ask before I buy just in case.

Now, not to stir up a hornet's nest, I have thought about using them in my motorcycle tires but there is a lot of conflicting data out there. Especially, of course, from the shops that mount the tires. I've been told they can cause problems and that they don't really work like they say. If you hit a bump, everything shifts causing momentary instability. So I have held off until I can find more information about them. I think I need to look into them once again and decide if it will be helpful for my GL1800.

Thank you for your help.

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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by MikeB » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:49 pm

I started out using dynabeads a few years ago. Then I went to counteract balance beads because you could buy them in bulk for a better price than you can get the dynabeads. I have never seen the dynabeads in large quantities such as the counteract beads which you can get in 1 lb packages or 2 lb or whatever.

The counteract balancing beads end up costing less than $3 for 2 oz. I change my own tires and I inspect the inside of the tires every time, I've never seen any damage of any kind from any balance beads. They do work as advertised, the tires stay balanced.
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Re: Dyna Beads vs Counteract Balancing Beads

Post by Alan_Hepburn » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:21 pm

echinus1988 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:01 pm
I saw 2 - 2oz bags or counteract beads on Amazon and figure it can't hurt to ask before I buy just in case.
Be careful - there's a company on Amazon selling the beads, and everything on their page indicates that they are selling a kit of 2 2oz bags, but when you look REAL closely at the Product Details way down the page it says that the Item Weight is 1.6 ounces. Another clue might be the Part No: CAKIT-1-1. Maybe the "-1-1" part indicates that each bag is 1 ounce. When you receive the order, the packaging shows the Part Number, and also clearly printed on the package is "2X1Oz".
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Post by echinus1988 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:41 pm

I actually did see that weight mentioned and I was trying to figure it out. It was 2 oz but a weight of 1.6oz.

So where should I buy the counteract beads?

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Post by Alan_Hepburn » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:47 pm

I've seen people mention that one can buy the beads in bulk, but I've not seen any vendors mentioned.


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