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Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:38 am



Hope someone in the UK can help.

I am slowly putting back together a '76 GL1000 basket case.

Main instruments appear to be from a later bike as they have black faces.
UK firm sells replacement green faces - BUT two different types of speedo face.
One with a red mark at 70 mph - one without.

When were these two types used ?

Thanks.



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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by SnoBrdr » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:17 am

Goldwing7777 wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:38 am
Hope someone in the UK can help.

I am slowly putting back together a '76 GL1000 basket case.

Main instruments appear to be from a later bike as they have black faces.
UK firm sells replacement green faces - BUT two different types of speedo face.
One with a red mark at 70 mph - one without.

When were these two types used ?

Thanks.
Never saw one with a red mark at 70 mph.

Kinda strange as we have never had a national speed limit of 70 mph.

Is there a link to these pictures?

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:25 pm

Thanks SnoBrdr ... but I did say "... in the UK ..." because we have had a 70mph limit for years ...

The eBay listing address is :- https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-GL1000 ... Sw7UZbNlRT

It is the second picture from the left that shows the red mark.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by SnoBrdr » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:32 pm

Goldwing7777 wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:25 pm
Thanks SnoBrdr ... but I did say "... in the UK ..." because we have had a 70mph limit for years ...

The eBay listing address is :- https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-GL1000 ... Sw7UZbNlRT

It is the second picture from the left that shows the red mark.
Obviously that specific.

Wasn't aware UK speedos came in MPH, the metric system and all.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Fred Camper » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:20 pm

I thought the 1977 had a black face until I put a 1977 "black face" tachometer onto my 1976 GL1000 LTD. Turns out the LTD has black faces guages and the 1977 faces are more like really dark Gray.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:50 am

Thankfully the UK notionally retained the 'proper' system (like the USA) - and avoided nasty metrics !!
The attempt to impose metrication on the UK was a contributing factor in our disenchantment with the EU ...

[One mate always referred to kilograms as 'kiddlygogs' . He hated them.]

I think in UK that '77-onwards Goldwings went black face.
I'm pretty sure my '76 K1 should be green ... just not sure about that 70mph marker.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by dingdong » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:54 am

My 76 has no red marker. I've never seen one with the marker.???
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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by SnoBrdr » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:05 am

dingdong wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:54 am
My 76 has no red marker. I've never seen one with the marker.???
Think it's just a UK thing as that's their speed limit.

May not have been factory as I always thought they would be in KPH and not MPH.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by redbug » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:12 am

Checking frame and engine serial numbers of your k1 in the parts manual you could at least find the original country it was shipped to and go from there. Being that your official speed limit is 70mph and that started in 1967 or so maybe it came with the red mark. Speedometers where changed in the states when we had the gas crunch too. Page number 8 lists the shipping locations all done by frame and engines serial numbers and page 80 or 88 has the speedometers listed in which bike. The last set of digits in the part number is the key. Are you trying to go period correct all original style ? After all of this we still don't know. Interesting...
Just curious if other new or used motorcycles besides Honda has the red mark at 70.
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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:01 am

Thanks redbug.

I will check. [I'm 99% certain this was a UK bike from new]

Bought in boxes but with some parts missing! - and with additional/replacement parts from another Goldwing GL1000.

I'm rebuilding the bike to as near standard as I can [cost/availability permitting] and I recently discovered the black face instruments are from a later UK bike - probably '77.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Maz » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:18 pm

My '75 K1 (UK bike) has green faces but no marker at 70 mph. I have a friend who has a '76 Limited Edition. I will ask him to check his (it's in the garage and has been off the road for 4 yrs!).
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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:24 pm

Thanks Maz.

I'm beginning to think that the addition of the red marker is nothing to do with Honda or ND.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by SnoBrdr » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:50 pm

Goldwing7777 wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:24 pm
Thanks Maz.

I'm beginning to think that the addition of the red marker is nothing to do with Honda or ND.
ND ?

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:02 pm

Nippon Denso - who I thought made the Goldwing speedo ? Sorry if I'm wrong or the abbreviation caused confusion.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Maz » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:05 pm

Goldwing7777 wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:24 pm
Thanks Maz.

I'm beginning to think that the addition of the red marker is nothing to do with Honda or ND.
My friend just checked his '76 GL1000 LTD and the clocks have black faces and no red marker. However, I believe the LTD was a US bike so that's probably not much help for you!
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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:31 pm

Thanks Maz.

I won't order any new instrument faces till I'm sure of the type. I am 99.9% certain that my black-faced instruments that came with the '76 are wrong.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Fred Camper » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:11 pm

My LTD 1976 had black faced guages so it seems to me somebody changed them to the wrong 1976 guages, I sure would like your black faced tach for my LTD as hers is really loud. But yours could also be a dark gray face from a 1977 and that will not work for my 1976 LTD. Seem to recall both 1975 and 1976 regular GL1000 had green faces.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:00 am

Hello FC

Thanks for confirming when green faces were used.
I don't think selling the tacho is very cost effective as shipping costs from here in the UK are steep.
[It works both ways - the only company that makes stainless steel rear caliper pistons is in the US - but shipping and import costs mean it is not worthwhile.]

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by SnoBrdr » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:27 am

Goldwing7777 wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:00 am
Hello FC

Thanks for confirming when green faces were used.
I don't think selling the tacho is very cost effective as shipping costs from here in the UK are steep.
[It works both ways - the only company that makes stainless steel rear caliper pistons is in the US - but shipping and import costs mean it is not worthwhile.]
Uhm, I bought SS pistons and they came from Germany thru Wingovations.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Maz » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

SnoBrdr wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:27 am
Goldwing7777 wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:00 am
Hello FC

Thanks for confirming when green faces were used.
I don't think selling the tacho is very cost effective as shipping costs from here in the UK are steep.
[It works both ways - the only company that makes stainless steel rear caliper pistons is in the US - but shipping and import costs mean it is not worthwhile.]
Uhm, I bought SS pistons and they came from Germany thru Wingovations.
SnoBrdr is correct. John (OldFogey on this forum) who owns Wingovations, has SS brake pistons, made especially in Germany.
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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:36 pm

Those s/s pistons are probably the ones I found on eBay.com as opposed to eBay.UK
"Made in Germany" is interesting.

Hard to believe nobody thinks it is worthwhile stocking them in the UK for restorers of early Goldwings.

[I had an email back yesterday from Roger Etcell's UK firm (honda-classics.co.uk) saying they did not do them.]
Makes me wonder if I could find a local UK firm to machine up a batch ...

When I took the old chromed-steel rear pistons out - a PO had clearly used Stillsons on them at some stage !!

F.C. Had a close look at my 'black-faced' instruments. They are certainly NOT green but might just be called grey - the surface has many cracks and looks quite faded. They may have started out jet black but faded a bit ...
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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by SnoBrdr » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:45 pm

Goldwing7777 wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:36 pm
Those s/s pistons are probably the ones I found on eBay.com as opposed to eBay.UK
"Made in Germany" is interesting.

Hard to believe nobody thinks it is worthwhile stocking them in the UK for restorers of early Goldwings.

[I had an email back yesterday from Roger Etcell's UK firm saying they did not do them.]
Makes me wonder if I could find a local UK firm to machine up a batch ...

When I took the old chromed-steel rear pistons out - a PO had clearly used Stillsons on them at some stage !!

F.C. Had a close look at my 'black-faced' instruments. They are certainly NOT green but might just be called grey - the surface has many cracks and looks quite faded. They may have started out jet black but faded a bit ...
http://www.wingovations.com/stainless-s ... 4588600239

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:52 pm

SnoBrdr Thanks for very fast and informative reply with fantastic/detailed link.

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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by rudolphwolven » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:10 pm

Here for sale are stainless steel brake caliper pistons.
The prices can be found in the chart below. Depending on your bike You may need more than one for a complete rebuild of Your brake calipers.

The pistons are made in Germany using the latest computerized CNC technology lathe machines.

Proebstl has several sizes to choose:
Postage in US-Dollars click: http://www.proebstl.net/Postage%20dollar.jpg


Look also at:
http://www.proebstl.net/pistons.html

I have ordered 3 sets in 2015 for my GL1000 / BOTY winner contest 2016 directly from the original GERMAN manufacturer PROEBSTL (most sizes cheaper/trustfull supplier) and they are really marvellous..........
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Re: Correct instrument colours/faces

Post by Goldwing7777 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:26 pm

Ruud

Brilliant help. Thanks.

Bike looks superb by the way !



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