Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!


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Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by PedroTQ » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:21 am



G'day to All :D

I followed all the instructions in the "How-To Articles" for the attachment of the Aux input to my "RM-1500A" cassette deck and it works "Awesome!"

But the radio itself is a Japanese one so the FM stations finish at 90.0

The RM-1500A Radio Cassette Deck.
The RM-1500A Radio Cassette Deck.


I do not (like many others) use the cassette player so I snapped up an Interstate radio unit "RM-G40P", Great I can now listen to the good FM radio stations, but the Aux input had lots of engine noise (yes I used a shielded cable) and the sound was very tinny with no Tone or Auto Volume Control.

The RM-G40P Radio unit.
The RM-G40P Radio unit.


So now my 90SE is having the total naked look I don't need that "RM-G30P" cassette deck anymore so I want to put it in my 88 outfit (fits in perfectly).

But the Aux input does not work unless the tape is playing, and my tape player does not work, I get a second or so of my tunes then the cassette player tries to reverse then I get another second or so of my tunes ...... this continues until I get sick of it.

The RM-G30P Radio Cassette Deck.
The RM-G30P Radio Cassette Deck.


There must be a way of shorting out the muting circuit that the cassette playing circuit activates ???

I have the circuit diagrams but most of it is way above my head and I am praying someone on this wonderful site can help me and others out with this.

I have tried to upload the pdf file with no success, too many upload errors. (am I doing something wrong?)

Happy and Safe Riding to All, Peter.


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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by Stew » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:54 am

I believe the cassette function needs to be working normally, if it isn't then you can either repair the cassette function in order to use the aux input with cassette or others have made the aux input connection on the FM function instead. If I recall this requires cutting circuit traces and incorporating a switch to switch between aux input or FM input otherwise you'll inject the aux input signal into the FM signal. I'm sure I saw the instructions for this on this site.
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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:54 am

It depends on how the aux circuit is incorporated.

On my radio, I intercepted the preamp lines, and ran them through a relay. I can choose either the radio/tape audio, or my audio, depending on the relay. This relay is then switched using a switch (or in my case, an electronic controller that I built). As long as either the radio is on or the tape is running, the aux will work.

Incidentally, whine in an aux in is usually a ground loop issue. I built and installed a set of transformers inside my radio that the aux in hooks up to, to act as a ground loop isolator. You could also just buy an external ground loop isolator and use that instead.

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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by wingdings » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:07 pm

hi - read your post there !! - I Saw this a while back take a look it may help -



Also take a look at this too -

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Hope this helps !! :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by DenverWinger » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:37 am

I didn't watch the videos, but I did notice the Amp installed in the Left saddlebag... The right saddlebag is a much better location than the left one, the Left bag needs to come off for changing tires, you don't want to be re-wiring the Amp each time you change a tire... My Amp is in the right bag....
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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by Stew » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:58 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:54 am
It depends on how the aux circuit is incorporated.

On my radio, I intercepted the preamp lines, and ran them through a relay. I can choose either the radio/tape audio, or my audio, depending on the relay. This relay is then switched using a switch (or in my case, an electronic controller that I built). As long as either the radio is on or the tape is running, the aux will work.

Incidentally, whine in an aux in is usually a ground loop issue. I built and installed a set of transformers inside my radio that the aux in hooks up to, to act as a ground loop isolator. You could also just buy an external ground loop isolator and use that instead.
Any chance you took pics while doing this? I don't know enough about radio circuitry to identify that spot myself, I'm not looking for a technical how-to, just a pic with an arrow pointing to where you intercepted the preamp lines. What you're describing sounds like a better place to switch than what I had read previously.

My cassette is working for now so the cassette adapter is an ok solution but down the road I think an aux input would be a better long-term way to go. Much obliged if you're able to help!

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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by bellboy40 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:30 pm

Here is a link to how to modify the GL1500 radio for the aux input. This is similar to how WingAdmin did his but this uses a relay and I think he said he used an electronic controller. I did mine this way and it works great.

http://www.sheriart.net/honda/

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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by PedroTQ » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:31 am

I still feel that discomknockerating the muting when the tape is not turning would be easy to do, I have the schematics for the SE radio/cassette but I would probably have better luck learning to read Arabic or Japanese.

It would be nice if someone who could read the schematics and work out where to put a jumper wire or switch to fool the circuit that the tape is playing.

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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by PedroTQ » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:16 pm

G'day to Everyone :D

well i have a small advance :) i can read an electronic schematic diagram a little using the water pipe theory, i know what the symbols for transistors are but how they work and effect the circuit is a mystery to me :?

well i now have the cassette unit completely removed and resting in the trash bin at a peculiar angle, cut a trace on the main PC board and my tunes come through as soon as you select the tape player, but the tunes are very quiet so now i need to find a cure for turning the tape amplifier circuit on.

This is fun but frustrating as i need to get my outfit together again after sorting out my wiring gremlins and also have other chores to do.

I will document my findings when all is complete.

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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by wingdings » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:23 pm

saw this so passing it on !! - viewtopic.php?t=5316 and

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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by PedroTQ » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:41 pm

Yes, this works magic, but this is for the RM-1500A model, also if you unplug connectors CN106 & CN107 you do not have to insert an empty cassette into the mechanism, actually you can remove the entire tape drive unit as i have done, you can also keep the eject mechanism and keep it to stash your cigarettes in :lol:

But my radio dosent work properly, thus the need/want to get my RM-G30p running, this model is used in the SE models.
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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by PedroTQ » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:46 pm

This is my bench test rig that i set up to attain my needs and learn a little more on electronics (or destroy the radio/cassette unit).
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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by PedroTQ » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:58 pm

As you can see there is another control board within containing a large IC which controls the tape drive.
The IC monitors;
Tape inserted or not.
Tape rotation or not (to detect if program change is required)
Tape direction, FWD or REV.
FastFWD or FastRWD.
Standard or Metal tape.

I am sure there is a way of fooling the IC into thinking things are running OK, if not the unit will become destroyed :(

Peter.
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Post by GlimWas » Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:56 am

I am very interested in your findings and hope you will find the 'magic' cure. My tapedeck functions properly, but i would be happy if i could have music
without it. Isn't there a mechanical trigger inside the tapedeck to bypass by any chance? That would be wonderful...... :ugeek:
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Post by PedroTQ » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:24 am

These two wires go to the switch that detects when a tape is inserted, shorting them out does nothing, but i am guessing that several things have to be done to fool the circuit. the tape movement is also detected by a LED/detector reflecting off the tape take up wheel which have reflective sections so it sends back a pulse, thus i have to fool the cpu output to the amplifier circuit somehow.

its frustrating but in a way i am enjoying the challenge :D

I have revamped my radio bench test module for simplicity and ease of use :lol:

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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by GlimWas » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:44 am

The biggest problem is probably the fact that the tapedeck uses multiple sensors; is there a tape in the deck, is it spinning correctly, wich way is the cassette turning and so on.....
I hope you find the correct setting :shock:
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Post by PedroTQ » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:21 am

Me too :D

I have condensed the main, motor controller and tape unit schematics on the one page for the Electronics Gurus.

Have fun :D

:( :( :( sorry the pic is too big to upload and if I make it smaller it will loose its value as you couldn't read it.
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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by DenverWinger » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:41 am

Hardest part will probably be the tape reel hub sensors, with the normal running of a tape these sensors put out a regular pulse, when you get to the end of a tape the pulses stop and that triggers the auto-reverse function. A little 555 Timer circuit to make pulses can probably be adapted somehow.

You will need to determine what the reel hubs sensors put out - is it just a contact closure, or is there a voltage output.....
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Post by GlimWas » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:53 am

I hope it's just a contact..... The tape in my radio in continiously running in the same direction due to the fact i have a dummy tape running in the deck and never have a dropout in the
sound output as would be expected when the tape turns to the other direction
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Post by PedroTQ » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:19 am

I hope i am not putting my foot in my mouth but, I have been studying the circuit diagram in detail (not that electronics is easy for me) and I have the feeling that only one resistor needs to be cut (R 196), then remove the tape player and control board as these are no longer required.

I fly home Monday night so I can play with this idea next Tuesday :-)

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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by PedroTQ » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:15 am

BINGO!!!

done it! :D :D :D :D :D

Simple, just cut one resistor out or cut the track (a cut track can be un-cut with solder).

for ease of the future i have posted my findings complete with removing the complete cassette drive unit in the "How-To Articles" under the "Adding an AUX input to the GL-1500 radio".

Peter :D :D :D
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Post by GlimWas » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:45 am

Shouldn't it be; eureka! :lol: :lol:
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Post by PedroTQ » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:51 pm

G'day to All,

well i have now sorted out the flashing "Tape" symbol in the dashboard by cutting one trace in the LCD display on my bench test rig.

Now to do the same on my bike and record the process for others to follow, then publish in the "Hot-To Articles"

Peter :D
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Re: Aux input for the cassette deck ??? HELP!

Post by digividsmith » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:08 pm

I've been following several of these aux input threads, but haven't seen anyone mention an SE model. I have a 93 SE model, and when I pulled the radio to make the aux connections, found that the base board of the radio seems to be quite a bit different, so I stopped there. I've heard that the SE models had a "better" audio system than the other models. Not sure what all that implies other than a front-rear fader control...? Has anyone found the aux input points for the SE model?

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Lighted Buttons and Knobs too....


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