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Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by M61A1MECH » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:19 pm



Does anyone put any of the various puncture sealants in their trailer tires?

Was reading a post about tires on the 1800 GL forum here on Goldwing Docs about using Ride-On in motorcycle tires and although not generally recommended for bikes with TPMS it got me wondering if it would be worth putting it in my Bushtec trailer tires. I contacted Ride-On and they recommended using 6 to 8 ounces of their formula for Mopeds and scooters in a tube type tire on the trailer.

Anyone with thoughts or experiences on using this product or any of the many others on the market in your trailer?


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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by themainviking » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:40 pm

As trailer tires already mounted on rims are almost the same price as the tires alone, and mounting costs, I would think that this type of substance could be of benefit. One of the things most aggravating is a flat on a trailer tire out in the middle of nowhere, and discovering you do not have a jack nor a tire iron. Ride on or one of the others would keep this from happening, and when the tires wear out, just chuck them along with the rim and buy another two. Now with Bushtec's tire and rim prices or if one had aluminum rims on the trailer, it would kind of make it a costly proposition.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by M61A1MECH » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:14 pm

themainviking wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:40 pm
As trailer tires already mounted on rims are almost the same price as the tires alone, and mounting costs, I would think that this type of substance could be of benefit. One of the things most aggravating is a flat on a trailer tire out in the middle of nowhere, and discovering you do not have a jack nor a tire iron. Ride on or one of the others would keep this from happening, and when the tires wear out, just chuck them along with the rim and buy another two. Now with Bushtec's tire and rim prices or if one had aluminum rims on the trailer, it would kind of make it a costly proposition.
Why would you need to chuck the rims when time to replace the tires? The sealant is captured in the tubes, remove tires and tubes and replace them like normal, keeping the rims. I agree, not having a spare wheel and tire or the tools to repair a tube on the road, seems like the sealant could be a reasonable alternative.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:51 pm

I have given that a lot of thought.

2 years ago, when I rebuilt my box trailer, I put a new custom made to order axle under it with 'real hubs with grease zerks' in them, and upgraded to 5.80x8 tires & wheels. have put about 5,000 miles on that trailer and no wear is noticeable.

but, it is easy to drop the outside wheel off the edge of rough pavement and slice a new tire...
I carry a spare, but using Ride On would negate loosing a good tire to a small nail.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by M61A1MECH » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:00 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:51 pm
but, it is easy to drop the outside wheel off the edge of rough pavement and slice a new tire...
I carry a spare, but using Ride On would negate loosing a good tire to a small nail.
Yes I have thought the same thing and I am leaning towards trying Ride-On as I am recently retired and starting to rack up some miles on my trailer.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by 823JIM » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:16 pm

M61A1MECH wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:14 pm
themainviking wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:40 pm
As trailer tires already mounted on rims are almost the same price as the tires alone, and mounting costs, I would think that this type of substance could be of benefit. One of the things most aggravating is a flat on a trailer tire out in the middle of nowhere, and discovering you do not have a jack nor a tire iron. Ride on or one of the others would keep this from happening, and when the tires wear out, just chuck them along with the rim and buy another two. Now with Bushtec's tire and rim prices or if one had aluminum rims on the trailer, it would kind of make it a costly proposition.
Why would you need to chuck the rims when time to replace the tires? The sealant is captured in the tubes, remove tires and tubes and replace them like normal, keeping the rims. I agree, not having a spare wheel and tire or the tools to repair a tube on the road, seems like the sealant could be a reasonable alternative.
I personally have not had a trailer tire with a tube in it, whether its been an 8", 10" or 12", in over 20 years. Don't even know where you would buy a new mounted one with a tube. Certainly don't find one at TSC, Menards or on line.https://www.etrailer.com/dept-pg-Tires_ ... Wheel.aspx
Don't even find a tube in these size's at etrailer.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by themainviking » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:10 am

M61A1MECH wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:14 pm
Why would you need to chuck the rims when time to replace the tires? The sealant is captured in the tubes, remove tires and tubes and replace them like normal, keeping the rims. I agree, not having a spare wheel and tire or the tools to repair a tube on the road, seems like the sealant could be a reasonable alternative.
As Jim mentioned, I was not thinking in terms of tubed tires. I was thinking tubeless, as I have not had a tube in anything other than a snowblower in many years.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by M61A1MECH » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:19 am

themainviking wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:10 am
As Jim mentioned, I was not thinking in terms of tubed tires. I was thinking tubeless, as I have not had a tube in anything other than a snowblower in many years.
Right, got it, as far as I know, most all Bushtec trailer tires use tubes, sure if mounted assemblies are the same price as unmounted tires, why bother demounting and remounting, I would just chuck those also..
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by 823JIM » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:03 am

M61A1MECH wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:19 am
Right, got it, as far as I know, most all Bushtec trailer tires use tubes, sure if mounted assemblies are the same price as unmounted tires, why bother demounting and remounting, I would just chuck those also..
Right you are, looked up what trailer and tires you are talking about and they do indeed use a tube. Sorry for my misunderstanding your point.


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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by Ravyn » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:15 am

I use ride on in all my tires on my motorcycles and trailers. I can attest to it's sealing abilities. It'a good product and it also balances your tires. Since I started using it years ago I have never had to balance a tire. I just got back from a month long 6,000 mile trip with my side car rig pulling a kwik kamp trailer mounted on a harbor freight trailer. No problems what so ever. No cupping and not much wear on any of the tires. The rig has Avon trike tire on the front and a Taxi tire on the rear and the trailer has Carlyle 5:80 x 8. And if you are pulling a trailer why would you not carry a small sissors jack ?

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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by M61A1MECH » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:21 pm

Ravyn wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:15 am
I use ride on in all my tires on my motorcycles and trailers. I can attest to it's sealing abilities. It'a good product and it also balances your tires. Since I started using it years ago I have never had to balance a tire. …. And if you are pulling a trailer why would you not carry a small sissors jack ?
Thanks for that info. Good question about why not carry a jack? No reason not to, I will have to see if I still have a small one around and pack it on the next trip.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:45 pm

Ravyn wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:15 am
I use ride on in all my tires on my motorcycles and trailers. I can attest to it's sealing abilities. It'a good product and it also balances your tires. Since I started using it years ago I have never had to balance a tire. I just got back from a month long 6,000 mile trip with my side car rig pulling a kwik kamp trailer mounted on a harbor freight trailer. No problems what so ever. No cupping and not much wear on any of the tires. The rig has Avon trike tire on the front and a Taxi tire on the rear and the trailer has Carlyle 5:80 x 8. And if you are pulling a trailer why would you not carry a small sissors jack ?
Great points all the way around.

I too, changed over to the Carlyle 5:80 x 8 tires for m/c pull behind trailer.
I am definitely going to put some RideOn in the trailer tires.
as the bike tires already have beads in them, that can wait until next time.

My bike's trailer with the above tires, has over 5,000 miles on it, with no observable wear on the tires.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by Ravyn » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:21 pm

M61A1MECH wrote:
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Ravyn wrote:
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I use ride on in all my tires on my motorcycles and trailers. I can attest to it's sealing abilities. It'a good product and it also balances your tires. Since I started using it years ago I have never had to balance a tire. …. And if you are pulling a trailer why would you not carry a small sissors jack ?
Thanks for that info. Good question about why not carry a jack? No reason not to, I will have to see if I still have a small one around and pack it on the next trip.
Hey M6...... there is a formula on the bottle of Ride-on that tells ya how much to put into each tire. Pretty easy, :-)

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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by Ravyn » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:38 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:45 pm
Ravyn wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:15 am
I use ride on in all my tires on my motorcycles and trailers. I can attest to it's sealing abilities. It'a good product and it also balances your tires. Since I started using it years ago I have never had to balance a tire. I just got back from a month long 6,000 mile trip with my side car rig pulling a kwik kamp trailer mounted on a harbor freight trailer. No problems what so ever. No cupping and not much wear on any of the tires. The rig has Avon trike tire on the front and a Taxi tire on the rear and the trailer has Carlyle 5:80 x 8. And if you are pulling a trailer why would you not carry a small sissors jack ?
Great points all the way around.

I too, changed over to the Carlyle 5:80 x 8 tires for m/c pull behind trailer.
I am definitely going to put some RideOn in the trailer tires.
as the bike tires already have beads in them, that can wait until next time.

My bike's trailer with the above tires, has over 5,000 miles on it, with no observable wear on the tires.
PSI at 24, and a new custom made axle to fit the frame.
( old axle had been narrowed by someone who didn't know how to do the job )
Hi AZ. I have about 7,000 miles or a little more on the Carlyle tires and they look to be about half way worn out ? You say yours are showing very little wear. My kwik kamp trailer sits on a harbor freight trailer that almost looks like it was made for it. The only thing i did to the trailer
other then square it up and weld the corners so it could not shift was to put the springs under the axil to lower it a bit.
It pulls perfectly and the tire wear is the same on each side. It does weigh a bit more with harbor freight trailer and I think fully loaded it weighs around 600 lbs. Just wondering why if your tires show almost no wear why mine show more ?
I have only been back from my trip for a couple of days so tomorrow I will measure tread depth on the Avon trike tire and the Taxi tire and let you guys know how much wear there is on them. I like the Avon trike tire on the front as it rides so much smoother and steers easier then the pilot that was on the front.

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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by M61A1MECH » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:40 pm

Ravyn wrote:
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Hey M6...... there is a formula on the bottle of Ride-on that tells ya how much to put into each tire. Pretty easy, :-)
Yes I have been in contact with Ride-On, they recommended using the formula for Motorscooters/Mopeds and between 6 and 8 ounces in each trailer tire, my concern is their literature states that the Motorscooter/Moped formula should not be used for vehicles that routinely travel at highway speeds. When I pull the trailer is often on the interstate at speeds of 60 to 70+ miles / hour, so I have questioned them on that, no answer yet.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by Ravyn » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:07 pm

M61A1MECH wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:40 pm
Ravyn wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:21 pm
Hey M6...... there is a formula on the bottle of Ride-on that tells ya how much to put into each tire. Pretty easy, :-)
Yes I have been in contact with Ride-On, they recommended using the formula for Motorscooters/Mopeds and between 6 and 8 ounces in each trailer tire, my concern is their literature states that the Motorscooter/Moped formula should not be used for vehicles that routinely travel at highway speeds. When I pull the trailer is often on the interstate at speeds of 60 to 70+ miles / hour, so I have questioned them on that, no answer yet.
I am not sure why they would recommend that. I use the formula on there bottle. Width times height times .06 if I remember right. I think it came out to about 5 oz per tire or so. I always put a little more in each tire just to be sure, it can't hurt. I have not had a puncture would on a trailer tire yet but I have had a couple on the bike over the years. It worked for me. I try to stay off the freeways and main hiways as much as possible but when forced to go there my speeds are 60 to 70 the same as yours. Not sure why the speed would make any difference.

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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by DenverWinger » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:27 am

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Good question about why not carry a jack? No reason not to, I will have to see if I still have a small one around and pack it on the next trip.
Even more important, a wrench that fits the trailer wheel lug nuts (bolts on mine)... I could make do without the jack, to set up the camper and get it level I put the rear stands down, then lift the trailer by the tongue to set the front stands. I can lift the trailer clean off it's wheels if the rear stands are down so could get away without a jack... But if you can't get the wheel off.... :oops:
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by Ravyn » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:57 am

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Good question about why not carry a jack? No reason not to, I will have to see if I still have a small one around and pack it on the next trip.
Even more important, a wrench that fits the trailer wheel lug nuts (bolts on mine)... I could make do without the jack, to set up the camper and get it level I put the rear stands down, then lift the trailer by the tongue to set the front stands. I can lift the trailer clean off it's wheels if the rear stands are down so could get away without a jack... But if you can't get the wheel off.... :oops:
That's way to much work, much easier to simply carry a a small jack. "I must be lazy" :-) And if you carry a small jack then I would expect that you would also be carrying the tools to remove the lug nuts. Besides, I'd like to see you lift mine. Unless you are the incredible hulk you Ain't gonna do it.

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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by M61A1MECH » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:19 am

DenverWinger wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:27 am
Even more important, a wrench that fits the trailer wheel lug nuts (bolts on mine)... I could make do without the jack, to set up the camper and get it level I put the rear stands down, then lift the trailer by the tongue to set the front stands. I can lift the trailer clean off it's wheels if the rear stands are down so could get away without a jack... But if you can't get the wheel off.... :oops:
I always have tools to remove the wheels, just incase a tire or bearing goes bad, now if I use the puncture sealant, no need to worry about a flat, I hope.
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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by LARSONEM » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:23 am

You guys worry too much about trailer tires. I've pulled trailers behind a motorcycle all over the United States and Canada since 1984. I've never had a problem with a trailer tire other than wearing them out. I always check the tires before I leave on a trip with a air gauge and check them visually throughout the trip. No blow outs, no flats. I carry a spare just in case but have never used it. And I do have a 4 way lug wrench. But I don't carry a jack. I figure I can always pick up the trailer and my wife can swap the wheels if necessary. And if your trailers weigh so much that you can't pick one up, you need to seriously consider what you are putting in it to take with you. The motorcycle and trailer hitch do have limits. Even my motorcycle camper can be picked up without a jack if I needed to.

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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by Ravyn » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:50 pm

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You guys worry too much about trailer tires. I've pulled trailers behind a motorcycle all over the United States and Canada since 1984. I've never had a problem with a trailer tire other than wearing them out. I always check the tires before I leave on a trip with a air gauge and check them visually throughout the trip. No blow outs, no flats. I carry a spare just in case but have never used it. And I do have a 4 way lug wrench. But I don't carry a jack. I figure I can always pick up the trailer and my wife can swap the wheels if necessary. And if your trailers weigh so much that you can't pick one up, you need to seriously consider what you are putting in it to take with you. The motorcycle and trailer hitch do have limits. Even my motorcycle camper can be picked up without a jack if I needed to.
You must look like king kong or the incredible hulk. Surely you jest.....and what if your wife is not with you? And the fact that you have never had a flat with a trailer tire......well, you just lucky, So far, your day is coming. If you really think like that then why even carry a lug wrench ? Just plug it and go on your way. Nice first post :roll: :|

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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

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LARSONEM wrote:
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You guys worry too much about trailer tires. I've pulled trailers behind a motorcycle all over the United States and Canada since 1984. I've never had a problem with a trailer tire other than wearing them out. I always check the tires before I leave on a trip with a air gauge and check them visually throughout the trip. No blow outs, no flats. I carry a spare just in case but have never used it. And I do have a 4 way lug wrench. But I don't carry a jack. I figure I can always pick up the trailer and my wife can swap the wheels if necessary. And if your trailers weigh so much that you can't pick one up, you need to seriously consider what you are putting in it to take with you. The motorcycle and trailer hitch do have limits. Even my motorcycle camper can be picked up without a jack if I needed to.
My Aspen Sentry camper, which is nowhere near the largest camper I have seen people tow, is 325 lbs EMPTY. So say 400 lbs full. I don't see myself lifting 200 lbs to change a tire.

The "jack" I carry is just a forged piece of aluminum with no moving parts that uses the bike's engine to lift the trailer. I wrote about it here: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19089

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Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by LARSONEM » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:01 pm

Ravyn wrote:
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You must look like king kong or the incredible hulk. Surely you jest.....and what if your wife is not with you? And the fact that you have never had a flat with a trailer tire......well, you just lucky, So far, your day is coming. If you really think like that then why even carry a lug wrench ? Just plug it and go on your way. Nice first post :roll: :|
No I don't look like King Kong. Sorry you don't like my first post. Tough! I forgot to mention that I also change/replace tires frequently; like every 3 years minimum. Nothing like running old trailer tires to invite a problem. Sometimes I've reached a tread depth before that time where I feel like I'd be better served by new tires to insure no problems. You and the next poster are thinking it's impossible to pick up a trailer loaded at 200-400 lbs. Think about it, you aren't picking up the whole trailer; just a side or a corner. As I mentioned earlier, I've ridden Gold Wings and pulled trailers since 1984; about 35 years all together. I've had three different cargo trailers and two different campers. Never had a tire problem on a trailer. Not saying I never will, but I don't go around looking for trouble or spending my life worrying about if I will have a problem or not. Carry a jack if you desire. Run your tires with fix a flat in them if you like as a way of preventing a problem if you like. Some people just worry too much and it hampers their ability to have fun.

You also ought to read your owners manual. You know where it says don't tow a trailer with your motorcycle. And you ought to look at the instructions that came with your trailer hitch. My Rivco hitch, one of the best for a GL1800 in my opinion, doesn't list weight or tongue limits. It suggests when pulling a trailer that you do not exceed the manufacturers Gross Vehicle Weight and tongue weight limits. Since Honda doesn't recommend pulling a trailer they don't list that information in the owners manual. Have you checked the placard in your motorcycle trunk lately where it talks about gross weight? With fully inflated tires, the GL1800 (2001-2017) is capable of carrying 410 pounds. Some of the people/friends that I ride with exceed this limit without anything in the trunk, saddlebags or towing a trailer.

The 4.80 x 12 tires I run on my California Sidecar Escapade trailer are rated a 990 pounds at 90 psi. The recommended tire pressure for the Escapade is 25 psi. The trailer weighs approximately 170 pounds empty and has a load capacity of 350 pounds. That 520 pounds. I can't hardly imagine having more than 200-250 pounds in mine, even heading out west for a 3 week trip. Even at 25 psi I've never had a problem. Traveled all kinds of roads in all kinds of heat. I did have a Cycle Mate cargo trailer that I used for a while (still have it and my wife pulls it to our state rally once a year because we take so many supplies) and it ran 4.80 x 8 tires. Something was out of alignment with the torsion arm suspension. It would wear out a set of tires in about 3000 miles. I finally measured the center front side of the tire to the center back side of the tire and there was about 3/8 inch difference. The tires were literally scrubbing the pavement. Loosened up the bolts and brought the front and back side of the tire to an equal distance and eliminated the problem.

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Location: Lake Oologah Indian Territory USA
Motorcycle: '02 GL1800

Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by AZgl1800 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:17 pm

I just call 1-800-Good-Sam and they change it for me :lol:

never, ever, had a m/c trailer tire need to be changed after I installed the new custom made axle for my HF trailer frame.

the OEM axle had been cut/welded by a farmer and that axle wore the center tread off both tires.. in just one trip. so it got replaced. paid more for the new axle, wheels/tires than I did for the trailer :roll:

for my RV trailer? it is 1-800-Good-Sam and for me, that is cheap insurance.


on just one trip, from Arizona to Oklahoma where I live now, I called them 5 times on the same trailer.
blew out 5 of 6 tires on that trip. guess they weren't rated for being overloaded by 14,000 lbs??
~John

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DenverWinger
Posts: 465
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:20 pm
Location: Denver, CO
Motorcycle: 1980 GL-1100 STD Vetter (2005-)
1993 GL-1500 Aspencade (2017-)
1983 Trav-Lite Camper (2010-)
Past rides
1972 CL-350 (1980-1988) sold
1978 Suzuki GS-550 (1985-2005) sold
1977 GL-1000 (2002-2006) sold

Re: Puncture sealant in trailer tires?

Post by DenverWinger » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:05 pm

The Trav-Lite trailer has a long tongue, with the rear stands down there's only maybe 75 lbs on the end of the tongue to get the wheels off the ground even with the trailer loaded to 550# total. (leverage factor). All (most) of the weight on the rear stands. The tongue really isn't that heavy when raising the wheels.

I keep watch on my tires, and thankfully have never had to change one on the road. I know I can lift the trailer off the wheels, as I do it often in the process of getting all four stands set so the trailer is level.


They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
(I stole this from somebody on another GW site...) :roll:

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