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A learning experience from the GoldwingDocs Gathering

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:19 pm



I thought about this a lot over the past few days, mainly because it happened right in front of me, and I realized that quite a few things could have gone very wrong as a result. I thought I would put my thoughts down in a short video, as a learning experience:





I should note that overall, he did a very good job of recovering and getting the bike back up and out of the oncoming traffic very quickly. Given the stress of being in the oncoming lane with unknown traffic potentially coming, I don't know that I would necessarily have thought of everything either. It's very easy to armchair this after the fact. At the time, it happened quickly, without much time to think about it. That was my intention in posting this - to give riders something to think about so that they might be better prepared for when it happens to them.



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Post by C-dub » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:42 am

Other than the mistakes mentioned in the video, any idea why he was slowing and stopping in the first place?
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Post by WingAdmin » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:54 am

C-dub wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:42 am
Other than the mistakes mentioned in the video, any idea why he was slowing and stopping in the first place?
My impression at the time was that the bikes ahead of him had suddenly slowed - I think due to being unsure of which direction to take at the intersection, and he was reacting to that.

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Post by dingdong » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:20 am

Now that had to be embarrassing to say the least. Glad no damage occurred except to his pride. Could have been deadly. Lets hope it was a learning experience.
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Post by goreeingreen » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:28 am

Overall looks like it was handled well and thankfully “alls well that ends well” thanks for sharing and ride safe!

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Post by Big Bird » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:12 pm

Thanks for sharing.

Our man in the video need only think of that poor ski jumper on the Wide World of Sports and know that he doesn't have it that bad. Good recovery. Someone will learn from this. The slight bit of shame is a gift to the rest of us.

I would have liked to see some action and/or some commentary about alerting oncoming traffic of the road hazard around the corner. Perhaps the folks stopped ahead around the corner were doing that, or communicating back that there was no oncoming traffic. If none of the above, this could have ended much worse and is an area where the onlookers could have contributed.

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Post by WingAdmin » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:31 pm

Big Bird wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:12 pm
Thanks for sharing.

Our man in the video need only think of that poor ski jumper on the Wide World of Sports and know that he doesn't have it that bad. Good recovery. Someone will learn from this. The slight bit of shame is a gift to the rest of us.

I would have liked to see some action and/or some commentary about alerting oncoming traffic of the road hazard around the corner. Perhaps the folks stopped ahead around the corner were doing that, or communicating back that there was no oncoming traffic. If none of the above, this could have ended much worse and is an area where the onlookers could have contributed.
That was something we did specifically the next day, after analyzing the events of this day. We had some riders with Bluetooth headsets, and others with CB. I had CB, and was trying to radio up to the riders ahead to warn them, who were using Bluetooth.

The next day we made sure the rider at the end had CB, and so did the leaders and riders interspersed throughout.

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Post by Big Bird » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:09 pm

Good for you guys, then.

I HATE riders who try to block traffic on a group ride as a normal part of going through intersections, etc. Absent a permit and a badge, as co-road users we've got no business doing that.

My tune changes immediately as soon as there is an emergency situation. At that point, I think the normal reaction is to either run to the scene and try to help (whatever that means) or stay out of the way and stare like a stunned mullet. It takes a thinking person to realize that spreading out -- forward and back -- around the next corner and alerting traffic of the hazard is often the best way they can contribute.

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Post by Aussie81Interstate » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:05 pm

Pre ride checks, and a general discussion should happen if you have multiple riders, as in group leader - ensure everyone knows where to go - and regular stops scheduled so all can converge back together. The use of a "tail end Charlie" - plus if a large group - maybe a support vehicle with trailer and ramps for breakdowns (eg lots of Harley groups of two or more have three vehicles with trailers for backup). The obligatory is you need communications so people know what to do when an incident occurs.

Riding in large groups is a lot of fun. ALL arriving at the destination SAFELY is the end purpose.

Nice to see that the incident happened "slowly" but recovery was "quick" - the rider who stopped to assist may have been better going down the road a bit to warn oncoming traffic if others had not noticed- but it did look like a few had stopped just past that next right turn - maybe they noticed "rider down" in their rear view mirrors.

Had an incident several years ago - with maybe 6 bikes - 3 with pillion riders - one had a trailer in tow with pet pooch aboard. Unfortunate takeover on a straight bit of road led to one bike clipping the other and two people on the one bike went down hard. Panic stations initially as the road was on a downhill with sweeping left hander - rider and pillion finished on the right hand side of the road with oncoming traffic coming up the hill. A rider was sent down the hill to slow oncoming traffic and a another rider back up the hill to slow traffic in the opposite direction.

End result - one ambulance - one passenger to hospital for a sore shoulder and bruising, the other rider - a few scratches and bruises. Both bikes rideable - and both riders involved - very experienced riders - it just happened in a few seconds.

Cheers guys, and thanks Wing Admin for posting

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Re: A learning experience from the GoldwingDocs Gathering

Post by Solina Dave » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:30 pm

dingdong wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:20 am
Now that had to be embarrassing to say the least. Glad no damage occurred except to his pride. Could have been deadly. Lets hope it was a learning experience.
This is one of the reasons I don't like group rides.
I can definitely see the attraction in group rides from the social angle. And I'm glad that this fiasco turned out reasonably well, in that only his pride was hurt.
Having said that, I'd be interested in knowing how experienced a rider he was, how old he was, and also how physically fit. That's a very heavy bike, although he did appear somewhat adept at getting it back up. My bike's not nearly as heavy as his, and I'm sure that I would have my hands full lifting a bike of that weight. How would he have dealt with the situation if his riding buddy hadn't been there? Personally I think I would have tried to get the side stand down just as soon as I could, even with my buddy holding the bike up for me. But like you implied wingadmin, hindsight is 20/20 for sure.
I'm with you Tom. I don't care for group rides. There's just too many moving parts.

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Post by dakotanator » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 am

Good learning experience for all. Thanks for sharing the info. Never hurts to add to the "knowledge bank". Glad it turned out well.
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Post by brettchallenger » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:36 am

My bike's not nearly as heavy as his, and I'm sure that I would have my hands full lifting a bike of that weight.
Fortunately, GW's have crash bars as standard and so never fully fall over, they sort of lean at 45degrees. So getting them back upright is not as daunting as it might at first seem.
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Post by Rednaxs60 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:55 am

The 1800 depending on the grade will go over and rest on the side mirror, BTDT and have seen others do as well. The trick is to control the bike on the way down.
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Post by RockportDave » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:44 pm

Thanks for sharing and the commentary.
Lots of food for thought as this could happen to any of us any time, especially those of us who ride 2 up a lot.
Years ago I told my wife if the bike starts to fall over, let it go and stay on top. Don’t try to stop it.
One night on our 1988 GL we pulled up to a stop in an RV park and I unknowingly stopped with the back tire half off the pavement. As I was getting ready to put the side stand down the bike slowly went the other way and my wife stuck her leg out to bail off. Luckily we had a group of friends there and they quickly got the bike off her leg, she was OK except for a sore calf for a day or so, but to this day she keeps her feet and legs on top of the bike. I only suffered embarrassment and feeling bad for her.
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Post by brettchallenger » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:08 am

Lots of food for thought as this could happen to any of us any time
Many years ago I stopped my heavily laden bike (not a GW) at the fuel pumps and put my foot down on a puddle of diesel which caused the bike to fall over. Spent the next week riding round France with a three inch front brake lever.
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Post by Jag39 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:37 am

Best I can tell, the problem continued by parking on the edge of the road just over the crest. Still looks like a bad situation to me.

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Post by TerryRuth » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:52 am

I started with 81s 83s lots and 95 1500 now I have an 06 the 1100s were amazingly fast shifting at 9400 but a pain to back up the 1500 had reverse and 5500 redline and I had it over LOTS AND 30% of the time could not right it alone The 06 FEELS the lightest and the 6000 redline's great >>> : crotch rocket with saddlebags

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Post by DarthJ » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:27 am

Rednaxs60 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:55 am
The 1800 depending on the grade will go over and rest on the side mirror, BTDT and have seen others do as well. The trick is to control the bike on the way down.
1500 will too, BTDT
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Post by paulr » Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:40 am

The reason for this happening is really quite simple.....the handlebars were turned to the left and when the front brake..or not..was applied .. the steering was turned left and so it pulled the bike that way,when it starts to go just let it down gently ..if possible..happened to me also ..more than once...when I bought my bike (GL1500 Interstate) in 2010,i quickly learnt the correct method of picking it back up from youtube...Whenever I come to a halt/slow down I make sure the steering/ bars are straight 8-) 8-)

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Post by TerryRuth » Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:40 pm

yup pulling out of a service road that joins /parallels to a light or stop sign is the least amount of fun you'll ever have

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Post by TerryRuth » Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:44 pm

especially with a 1500 I think that's the heaviest bike made EVER
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Post by luck » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:50 am

Looking at the video i notice that the rider downshift 2 time after he lift up is goldwing , it mean he was in third gear before he drop the bike and going to slow to give gas and avoid trip the motorcycle from the third gear .

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Post by dingdong » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:21 pm

I have watched this many times trying to figure out what went wrong. One thing I noticed is the brake lights are on until the beginning of the 21 sec. mark and remain off the rest of the way. His foot touches the ground at the 24 sec. mark. That's 3 seconds that the bike is coasting to a stop and totally out of control. No acceleration or braking . Not good. Not likely anyone can coast to a stop without losing their balance.
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Post by luck » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:33 am

You are right maybe he had stall is motor not downshifting soon enough in lower gear. very hard to understand !

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Post by hvyrtft » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:50 am

Since the riders were staggered it did not appear to me that he was executing the apex of the curve. When ridding in a group my personal preference is staggered so that curves can be taken properly and I make a point of talking about riding styles in the group when/if I'm riding with others. Glad the only hurt was pride we've all been there and you haven't you will be at some point.



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