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2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by gl18pilot » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:41 am



I ride a 2008 GL18 that I bought new and still love. What I don’t love is that Honda only offers a GPS update that’s over four years old (2014.40). I talked to the folks at Garmin and they said Honda has not “authorized” a newer update for this system. I will not pay $95 for a four-year old GPS update. What I want to know is, why Honda is blocking the creation of a new update for this system? Has Goldwingdocs or any other Goldwing rider group ever lobbied Honda to fix this problem and if so, what was the response? Does anyone know a Honda America executive we can focus on to complain to and maybe influence to move the needle on this? Based on the number of posts on the “GPS Update” topic, it appears there are many, many others who are as frustrated as I am by the situation.



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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by alwrmcusn » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:33 pm

I have a 2008 GL1800 also. Not the answer you want I'm sure but....
I found the GPS in my 'Wing to be too difficult to "program". Must be stopped, takes too long to button push to make inputs. I just bought an automotive GPS (Garmin Drive 51 LM). Easy to enter info, lifetime maps and while it is not waterproof, it is removeable to take inside with us at home and on the road.
But I am with you, it would be nice if there were an easy and simple plug in for map updates.
One thing I find unacceptable with the OEM navigation is that you cannot even turn it on if you are riding! I must have 25 or more buttons on my 'Wing that Honda allows me to manipulate while moving but I have to stop and be in neutral to even turn the navigation/GPS on.
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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by AZgl1800 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:30 pm

somewhere,

I read about someone who just applied the map updates from a Garmin GPS to the card for the bike, how he got it to work, I can't recall.

he gave some in depth instructions, but I can't find that thread now.

maybe this is it? did a google search
https://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/2- ... n-gps.html

he talks about how to copy the MapSource file and use it to replace the map file in the bike's gps.

if it will work for him, it should work for you.

and here is a different thread, same topic
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15388

while you are modding things, fix it so you can turn it on while riding
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=35181
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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by gl18pilot » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:10 pm

Thank you both for your comments, I appreciate your efforts to help. That said, I’m not interested in trying to hack my way to an update or avoid paying for one. As you can see from the thread, finding a workaround for the update is complex and many appear to have run into problems along the way. I’ve seen these and other threads and none appear to be straightforward and reliable.

Notwithstanding the fact the Navi system on the ‘08 is not the easiest or most intuitive to operate and you have to be stopped to turn it on, I will pay for an update if it’s current - even if somewhat pricey at $95. The issue appears to be Honda and there doesn’t seem to be an explanation for why we can’t buy a current GPS update — at any price.

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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by BBrenner » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:32 am

It can be done.

On another forum at one of our "Meet & Greets" and member updated my 06 with newer firmware and 2018 maps. Everything still works the same and they are not the best gps units but my maps are updated and that a big help with new roads.

Maybe someone will chime in with the answers but I think a lot of it comes down to putting it out on the web that you have a copy of maps and firmware that been " borrowed"

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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by themainviking » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:44 am

Even if Honda comes out with an update, it will not be complete. The maps for 2006 to 2008 US model bikes and 2006 to 2010 CDN model bikes are on CF cards. Some here have been able to put larger than 2 GB cards in their units and have them work, but most of us cannot. With a 2GB CF card, only a large portion of the US maps can be contained. If Canada or Mexico are wanted, then only a small portion of the US can be added to that. Since Honda has stopped producing updates, hacking the system and putting our own maps on is more than acceptable. We went through this with Honda and Garmin about seven years ago, and they brought out updates till the CF units in the US became more than 8 years old (manufacture dates) and then seem to have stopped. With a bit of computer knowledge, and the right card drives, building and installing up to date maps is possible. To get what the unit came with needs either a 4 GB card or two 2 GB cards, with the maps split. Sorry I cannot be of more assistance, but the info to do this is already on this site, and AZ1800 did point to several threads on it.

It should be noted that when Honda/Garmin did bring out updates, the maps on the updates were over two years old. That would mean that a bike with four year old maps is still only two years out of date according to Honda/Garmin.
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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by gl18pilot » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:06 am

Thanks themainviking, this is the best explanation I’ve seen for why the problem exists. I’m curious, has Honda ever officially communicated why they’ve stopped putting out the updates, or is your explanation based on your many interactions with them and Garmin over the years?

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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by themainviking » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:51 am

My experience drives my comments. Honda is not very forthcoming with information, and the only way I actually ever got an answer from Garmin was by keyholing one of their reps at a Wing Ding where they were bragging up their latest Sumo. I bought their very first update when it first came out, and three months later they replaced it, as it was screwed up. The maps were two years out of date on that first one and have not been any better. The only way to get up to date maps is to make them ourselves. Garmin brings out a CNANT update (City Navigator on disk) three or four times a year, and the maps are up to date as of the date of release of those disks. These are where your most up to date maps are going to come from. Keep in mind that even the CNANT updated maps are probably a year old, as first they have to find corrections, and Garmin does not do this. Another company does this, and then sells the info to Garmin, Magellan, Tom Tom and the others, who then build their mapping bases from it. Any OEM GPS is going to be out of date, probably the day you buy the vehicle. Some companies are faithful about updating them, but most are not. It is not big on their radars. And they charge in the neighborhood of $400 plus for these updates, as they do not sell all that many. Most people do not use the GPS in their cars, unlike us on our motorcycles, who actually tour and want to know where we are and where we are going.

With all this said, GPS is still probably more up to date than a paper map, if you can find such a thing any more, LMFAO. Printed out Google maps are probably the best we could ever get, but to print out a full map takes a ream of paper if you wish to be able to see the roads.
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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by wingpilot08 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:55 pm

I also have a 2008 with GPS and rarely use it to actually navigate. I had a car gps on my GL1500 and it was useful, until it finally died. Nowadays, with Smartphone having almost every gadget available, I use the GPS function of my IPhone, have power and AUX input for the phone and a really good phone holder from RAM mounts. Just used the IPhone as my GPS for a 5500 mile round trip between home in PA and Bear Tooth Mountain Pass in Montana. I also did carry an Atlas and used it to better define routes to plan.

Not looking to bother with upgrading the CF card..not worth my time or money!
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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by Asphaltmaniac » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:46 am

I too was disappointment that Honda decided to no longer support the older wings GPS. It could be that Garman will pick up the slack if they are poked enough? :?:

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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:05 pm

Asphaltmaniac wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:46 am
I too was disappointment that Honda decided to no longer support the older wings GPS. It could be that Garman will pick up the slack if they are poked enough? :?:
Garmin could care less, won't happen.
you are going to have to take an update for another gps, massage it in MapSource or other map app, and then convert it to the file format needed for the bike's gps
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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by themainviking » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:53 pm

Asphaltmaniac wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:46 am
I too was disappointment that Honda decided to no longer support the older wings GPS. It could be that Garman will pick up the slack if they are poked enough? :?:
It was never Honda that supported the older wings in the first place to my knowledge. It was Garmin, but with consultation with Honda. Maybe a little nudge from the fair retail practices government agency might have had a bit to do with getting them off their butts, as I did put a report in and got an action indication, but again, maybe not. Garmin sells/sold the updates for $95. When Honda sold updates, the cheapest I found from them was $265. Any updates I got for my OEM GPS came from Garmin. Then I began making my own, because Garmins were two year old maps. The only thing I lost was the ability to do searches by POI. Everything else worked as it did before I built my own maps. I did not do this to cheat anyone of their money for updates, as purchasing the CNANT disks did cost money. I did it to get updates that were up to date. Since the maps have had to be split to two CF cards, I have really curtailed my work on keeping up to date. It just got to be too much work. This is probably why Garmin and Honda have ceased updating. The money is not commensurate with the required labor.
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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by Asphaltmaniac » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:03 pm

themainviking wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:53 pm
Asphaltmaniac wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:46 am
I too was disappointment that Honda decided to no longer support the older wings GPS. It could be that Garman will pick up the slack if they are poked enough? :?:
It was never Honda that supported the older wings in the first place to my knowledge. It was Garmin, but with consultation with Honda. Maybe a little nudge from the fair retail practices government agency might have had a bit to do with getting them off their butts, as I did put a report in and got an action indication, but again, maybe not. Garmin sells/sold the updates for $95. When Honda sold updates, the cheapest I found from them was $265. Any updates I got for my OEM GPS came from Garmin. Then I began making my own, because Garmins were two year old maps. The only thing I lost was the ability to do searches by POI. Everything else worked as it did before I built my own maps. I did not do this to cheat anyone of their money for updates, as purchasing the CNANT disks did cost money. I did it to get updates that were up to date. Since the maps have had to be split to two CF cards, I have really curtailed my work on keeping up to date. It just got to be too much work. This is probably why Garmin and Honda have ceased updating. The money is not commensurate with the required labor.
Honda does the research for the information that goes into the Garmin. Thats costs pretty big money I'd assume. I spoke directly too a Garmin rep, was told Honda is not supporting the older GPS anymore. So you can petition Honda and try to convince them its in their best interest or convince Garmin its in their best interest....The last update I got for my 06 I think it was 2012 or 2013...But its a moot point as neither is going to do it...

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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:52 pm

themainviking wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:51 am
My experience drives my comments. Honda is not very forthcoming with information, and the only way I actually ever got an answer from Garmin was by keyholing one of their reps at a Wing Ding where they were bragging up their latest Sumo. I bought their very first update when it first came out, and three months later they replaced it, as it was screwed up. The maps were two years out of date on that first one and have not been any better. The only way to get up to date maps is to make them ourselves. Garmin brings out a CNANT update (City Navigator on disk) three or four times a year, and the maps are up to date as of the date of release of those disks. These are where your most up to date maps are going to come from. Keep in mind that even the CNANT updated maps are probably a year old, as first they have to find corrections, and Garmin does not do this. Another company does this, and then sells the info to Garmin, Magellan, Tom Tom and the others, who then build their mapping bases from it.
Mostly correct. Most GPS companies buy their mapping data from other companies. Garmin, for instance, buys its mapping data from Navteq, so it depends on Navteq to issue updates.

TomTom on the other hand bought the mapping company Tele Atlas in 2008 (after winning a bidding war with Garmin), so it both owns its own mapping data company, plus sells that mapping data to other companies.

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Re: 2008 GPS Update Questions

Post by themainviking » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:17 am

Thank you Scott, for raising my awareness about Tom Tom. I was not aware that they had purchased Tele Atlas, resulting in my comments being a bit out of date. NavTeq does indeed supply Garmin with the updated data, and I believe they also supply Magellan. It is curious tho, that NavTeq GPS units are so poor and the mapping is no more up to date than the others. Methinks perhaps NavTeq may not make their own GPS units, even tho they consolidate the update info.


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