question re float height


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froche
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question re float height

Post by froche » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:42 pm



So my carbs are clean and work "fine" however I get poor fuel mileage, about 26 mpg. Verified by several tanks over some time.

Bike;1985 GL1200A

The carbs are:
synced
clean
no popping
new air filter
new gas filter
fuel mixture screws about 1.5 to 1.75 turns out

starts and runs fine
cold idle after turning off the fuel enrichment 960 RPM, stator reports 12.5 volts
accelerates well
gas cap ok
no leaks when parked

I keep thinking float level..
What do you think and what height to check for and possibly set to?
Also any idea what weight the floats should be? Or how to check for cracked pinholed floats.
What about float needle and seat?



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Re: question re float height

Post by virgilmobile » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:08 pm

Pull all 4 spark plugs..identify each one as what cylinder it came from.
"Read" each plugs condition/color..
What does each one look like?

froche
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1968 Harley Davidson Sportster
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Re: question re float height

Post by froche » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:15 pm

Need to check the plugs now, but I have been thinking and trying to figure it out. The last time i pulled the plugs they were all dark showing too much fuel, and about the same as each other.

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Re: question re float height

Post by virgilmobile » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:17 pm

The book says 7.5mm
They must be the same on each half and just resting on the needle buffer plunger..Not compressing it...
Exactly 7.5 mm..on the money...
A quick test for you..
Start the bike and warm up a few minutes...
Turn the idle screw to increase the idle to 1500-2000rpm..let it run a few seconds there stable..
Turn off the fuel and wait...as it consumes fuel,if it just starts to slow down,the float level is ok..if it actually increases rpm for a few seconds then starts to drop,your fuel level is too high.

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1968 Harley Davidson Sportster
1974 Honda CB750
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Re: question re float height

Post by froche » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:13 pm

Ordered a float height gauge. waiting for it.
Had to change the brake pads (all 3) so I cleaned off the pins that hold the pads aligned even though they were fairly free... took a few taps with a hammer and a pin punch but not too hard. Thee plugs will be removed. inspected and also changed after the float height tool arrives (gotta take of the tupperware to remove and check carbs so i'm going to do it at the same time).

Haven't tried shutting off the fuel to see how the motor reacts. I assume that if the floats allow too much gas in and shutting off the fuel makes the carbs go from a rich mixture to a correct one and finally a lean one. So it goes from running to running correctly increasing in speed to running poorly as the mixture goes to lean.

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Re: question re float height

Post by virgilmobile » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:32 am

At 1500-2000rpm my bike did run well but not great.As I shut off the fuel it ran stable for a bit.However it was rich..as the fuel was consumed,it increased rpm for a short time as the fuel mixture approached "normal" then started to drop as it went lean.
Shutting off the fuel is like adjusting the float (fuel) level to obtain the correct fuel mixture.
I had to readjust my floats by 1.5mm

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Re: question re float height, now brakes

Post by froche » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:08 pm

Haven't taken the time yet to check my float height. As you may know this all relates to my fuel mileage running around 25 mpg! Well I had to check the brakes because the rear pedal got real light, couldn't push it hard enough, kind of like air but you couldn't ever get it to feel right. So I replaced all the Pads and it worked "better" but not enough, but I thought I noticed the fuel didn't show up as empty at the 'right" point mileage. Got front and rear seal kits and Speed Bleeders and did the rear brake.

Got a rear kit from ebay (All Balls Racing) and it had boots, seals, bleeder cap, brake pad retaining pins and copper washers. As it turns out they also sell retaining pins, you can see all their 1200 parts at https://www.allballsracing.com/ymmsearc ... hfromhome/.

So taking out the pistons I found out that only one piston was moving under pressure, the other didn't move. Put a piece of steel in the way and took the moving piston as far as it would go until stopped and there was 3/8 of an inch difference between the pistons. Eventually got them about even and removed, used a drill mounted scrunge pad to clean the pistons, and the spacer for the 12 mm bolt. Cleaned out the calipers cavities and used q-tips to really clean them out. Seals and dust rings went in, and tried really hard to insert the pistons, lubricating the piston and hole with brake fluid from a syringe, finally got it started (both pistons) and used old pad and two clamps to insert fully.

Git it all back together and bled but no good so I also bled the right front and was amazed to see lots of air bubbles coming out the Speed Bleeder and going down the hose.

Rear pedal feels great!
Now to see if it really makes a difference.

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1979 Honda CB750
1968 Triumph Bonneville T120
1973 Honda CB450
1968 Harley Davidson Sportster
1974 Honda CB750
1968 Honda CL72

Re: question re float height, now brakes wow!

Post by froche » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:33 pm

If you follow this I started asking about the float levels, and then got into the brakes.

Well the rear break pedal now tries to stop the bike on a dime! I guess even though i was riding it around, the rear brake cylinder had one piston that wouldn't keep up with the other. Now they work properly and wow!

Next onto the the front brakes. i think they are fine but i'll bet they need a cleaning and reseal kit.

froche
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1979 Yamaha XS1100
1978 Yamaha XS1100 Special
1990 Yamaha XV250
1980 Yamaha XV750
1979 Honda CB750
1968 Triumph Bonneville T120
1973 Honda CB450
1968 Harley Davidson Sportster
1974 Honda CB750
1968 Honda CL72

Re: question re float height

Post by froche » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:50 pm

Partial tank since the repair. improvement showed 30 mpg. More to come!



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