Timing Belts help


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Timing Belts help

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:34 pm



I need some help or reassurance. I can't seem to get the markers to line up. I've followed the directions and even tried to rotate the right pulley using the tip in the how to section. It seems like the right side is off by about half a tooth. I've pulled the belt and lined up the markers try and put the belt on but then the teeth don't line up. After numerous attempts of pulling of the belts and re -a adjusting I got the markers lined up and the teeth to line up, go ahead and rotate the engine and this is what I finish with.
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First try - center
First try - center


First try - left side
First try - left side


First try - right side
First try - right side


Second try - center
Second try - center


Second try - left side
Second try - left side


Second try - right side
Second try - right side


Second try - right side - different angle
Second try - right side - different angle


second try - right side - another angle
second try - right side - another angle


second try - left side - different angle
second try - left side - different angle



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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by DenverWinger » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:33 pm

You got 'em right, the marks will never line up "exact", + or - one cog in either direction and things will line up much worse. Once your idlers are set and tightened down turn the engine with a wrench on the crank bolt two revs (CCW looking at the crank bolt, this puts the slack at the tensioner side of the belt) to be absolutely sure no interference and recheck your belt tension.
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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:04 pm

DenverWinger wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:33 pm
You got 'em right, the marks will never line up "exact", + or - one cog in either direction and things will line up much worse. Once your idlers are set and tightened down turn the engine with a wrench on the crank bolt two revs (CCW looking at the crank bolt, this puts the slack at the tensioner side of the belt) to be absolutely sure no interference and recheck your belt tension.
Thanks Mark!! :D

I was getting really frustrated because when I look at the pictures in the how to section he has them perfectly lined up. I guess it's time to find my handy dandy mini travel scale and put some tension on the bolts.

Doug
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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:18 pm

One more question, how do I get red loctite on the tensioner bolts without taking everything apart?
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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by bellboy40 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:37 pm

I wouldn't put the red loctite on them. You will have a heck of a time getting them loose next time. If you must use loctite, go with the blue. I didn't put any locking compound on mine and never have, but its your call.

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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:04 pm

bellboy40 wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:37 pm
I wouldn't put the red loctite on them. You will have a heck of a time getting them loose next time. If you must use loctite, go with the blue. I didn't put any locking compound on mine and never have, but its your call.
Thanks for the input.
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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by Rodzim » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:19 pm

Dont loctite anything. I do on my roadstar because its a v-twin and it vibrates a lot. The wing is smooth as silk, the chances of ANY bolt backing off when properly torqued are almost none.

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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by DenverWinger » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:46 am

I've never used Loctite on my Wings, either.....
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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:03 am

Rodzim wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:19 pm
Dont loctite anything. I do on my roadstar because its a v-twin and it vibrates a lot. The wing is smooth as silk, the chances of ANY bolt backing off when properly torqued are almost none.
Thank you, I skipped the loctite.
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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:07 am

DenverWinger wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:46 am
I've never used Loctite on my Wings, either.....
I skipped the loctite.

I had my son help with setting the tension, but since he works the midnight shift at UPS and had girlfriend duties on Saturday it waited until 10:30 PM to get done. Thank goodness these are quite bikes because shortly after midnight we rolled it out into the driveway to start it up and check out the belts to make sure everything was good.

Now it's time to put the covers back on and get the bike turned around for rear end work.

Doug
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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by fibersport » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:05 am

The reason the timing marks don't line up perfectly is because there is at least one valve either just opening or just closing, the valve springs put pressure on the rockers which put pressure on the cam. Best thing to do is before you take anything apart get them aligned and change the belts right away, that way you're sure they go back the way they came off. I know sometimes schedules don't work out that way, but I always try to have a good stop point on a project so there is no doubt when I get back regarding where I left off. Glad it's all running well.

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Re: Timing Belts help

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:41 am

fibersport wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:05 am
The reason the timing marks don't line up perfectly is because there is at least one valve either just opening or just closing, the valve springs put pressure on the rockers which put pressure on the cam. Best thing to do is before you take anything apart get them aligned and change the belts right away, that way you're sure they go back the way they came off. I know sometimes schedules don't work out that way, but I always try to have a good stop point on a project so there is no doubt when I get back regarding where I left off. Glad it's all running well.
Thank you.

My son is studying automotive technology so I had him check them out as well and he said the exact same thing; he added as long as you can hand crank the engine around a few times without any sudden stops or pressure it will all be good.


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