Crazy Starter Issue


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Crazy Starter Issue

Post by edaddy0 » Sun May 12, 2019 10:47 am



So I had a first on my 94 1500 the other day. I lost power, may be a fuel filter issue, haven't got that far yet to check it out. I let the bike rest and attempted to restart which it did, but cut off when I attempted to give it some throttle. I tried to start again and the starter would not disengage. I put the bike in gear and let out the clutch, hoping to choke the bike out but it did not. I began going down the road powered by the starter and could not get it to disengage. I pulled to the shoulder of the road to attempt to pull a side cover off to pull a fuse to kill the motor, and applied my front brake and my back tire kept spinning in the dirt. The starter finally disengaged and I was able to coast back home since I was not far. I have not tried to start the bike since and I am going to get a new fuel filter to begin with, so it can hopefully start and run, if that is the problem. What do I need to worry about, or check with the starter? I apologize for the long post, this was definitely a scary moment and I was afraid that the starter was going to burn up or cause internal damage to my motor. Thanks for any help on this matter and I am not a mechanic. Debating taking to my Honda dealer and let them look at it and really hate to have to trailer my bike due to past bad experience with that.



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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by BlueThunder » Sun May 12, 2019 2:21 pm

Same thing happened to me after replacing the starter solenoid with a cheap Chinese one. Ruined a new starter and AGM battery. Use only OEM stuff if available.
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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by edaddy0 » Sun May 12, 2019 3:00 pm

Thanks, definitely will after I find out all the damage that is done. Of course the bike is 25 years old and only has 45000 miles on it. I have put 24000 on it.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by WingAdmin » Sun May 12, 2019 4:34 pm

You're going to need to replace starter relay B. It sticking closed is what will have caused your starter motor to not be able to disengage or shut off.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by bellboy40 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:12 pm

I'm going to step out on a limb here and see if WingAdmin cuts it off. :lol: I believe the trouble is starter relay A sticking that is causing his starter to keep running. Relay B sticking would not, by itself, cause the starter to keep running. Relay A has to be operated before Relay B has any battery power to send on to the starter. That is the way I read the starter circuit diagram.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by edaddy0 » Tue May 14, 2019 12:41 pm

Thanks, it started the other day and I will go ahead and replace the suggested part and see what happens.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by WingAdmin » Tue May 14, 2019 3:27 pm

bellboy40 wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 4:12 pm
I'm going to step out on a limb here and see if WingAdmin cuts it off. :lol: I believe the trouble is starter relay A sticking that is causing his starter to keep running. Relay B sticking would not, by itself, cause the starter to keep running. Relay A has to be operated before Relay B has any battery power to send on to the starter. That is the way I read the starter circuit diagram.
You're right! I went by memory rather than look it up, and so now I went to look it up...relay B doesn't get power unless relay A is also closed, so it would have to be relay A that is stuck closed, which then closes relay B and runs the starter.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by edaddy0 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:42 pm

I am not a mechanic, is this the same as the relays that are sold on this web site? Is it a unplug and plug device? I saw the diagram, but I am not really sure what I am looking for, or where the relay is located. Thanks for any assistance.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by edaddy0 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:00 pm

Well I just looked at the store and saw where the relays are located, now to fund out which is which.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by DenverWinger » Tue May 14, 2019 7:02 pm

The one right next to the battery is the "A" relay.
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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by edaddy0 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:04 pm

DenverWinger wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 7:02 pm
The one right next to the battery is the "A" relay.
Thank you.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by edaddy0 » Wed May 15, 2019 8:54 pm

Uodate; I recently had my fuel tank derusted and coated, changed my fuel filter tonight and it had fine trash in it, nothing like I had before my tank cleaning but still an issue. Guess I will be changing the filter at every oil change or less, for awhile. Wing starts right up and so far so good. I am going to order an A relay and change it out very soon since I had it stick. Thanks for your help, I finally turned over 45000 miles on my wing. I have changed the timing belts recently so I hope I have a little more life in the old girl. Love my Old Wing.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by DenverWinger » Wed May 15, 2019 9:54 pm

FWIW if the "A" relay sticks again, you can stop the starter motor by lifting the reverse handle slightly (just enough to actuate the switch on the lever). Careful, don't pull it all the way to engage reverse gears with the starter spinning, but just enough to actuate the switch. That will interrupt the coil on the "B" relay and stop the starter motor. Then you can give the "A" relay a whack with a screwdriver handle to unstick it.
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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Thu May 16, 2019 1:44 am

DenverWinger wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 9:54 pm
FWIW if the "A" relay sticks again, you can stop the starter motor by lifting the reverse handle slightly (just enough to actuate the switch on the lever). Careful, don't pull it all the way to engage reverse gears with the starter spinning, but just enough to actuate the switch. That will interrupt the coil on the "B" relay and stop the starter motor. Then you can give the "A" relay a whack with a screwdriver handle to unstick it.
Actually it depends how it is stuck.
If the contacts inside got welded to each other, this method will not work.

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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by DenverWinger » Thu May 16, 2019 5:36 am

Might not unstick the A relay, but at least you can stop the starter motor....
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Re: Crazy Starter Issue

Post by edaddy0 » Thu May 16, 2019 3:39 pm

Good to know, thanks.



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