Rear tire excess wear


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DannyB
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Rear tire excess wear

Post by DannyB » Mon May 13, 2019 5:32 pm



Howdy folks...have a 2000 GW 1500...rear tire is a Dunlop Elite 3 160/80 B16 75H
Only 13,000 KM on it. running 42 psi
Noticing a bad wavy/warpage on 'both' sidewalls, and can hear a woh, woh, woh, sound when I'm cornering, leaning either way.
Any idea what may be causing this? Don't think I hit any huge potholes to knock out the balance.
Anyone recommend a better tire? Been running Dunlop elites on last 4 Wings...
Appreciate the responsed.



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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by bluthundr31 » Mon May 13, 2019 7:12 pm

I recently went from Dunlops to Avon Cobra's on front and rear PLUS 3 oz. of Dynabeads in the front and 3 oz. of Counteract balancing beads in the rear. TWO THUMBS UP!!!

13K is decent length on those Dunlops though, , ,Did you have any balance beads in either tire?? The "cupping" is fairly normal so you got your $$$ worth out of em.

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by RockportDave » Mon May 13, 2019 9:01 pm

I had an Elite 3 on mine and it did make the woh, woh noise, especially on the bridge and the sound resonated of the guard rail. I put an Elite 4 on it about 6 months ago and I’m very happy with it. No noise and feels better. Still have the Elite 3 on the front.
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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by DannyB » Mon May 13, 2019 9:06 pm

Thanks Dave...I'll look into the Dunlop 4 . Did you have any wear on the sidewalls at all? Instead of being flat around the circumference of the tire, it's wavy..like bumps or high spots/low spots ??
Wondering if the rim is bent or out of balance ????

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by RockportDave » Mon May 13, 2019 9:30 pm

While removing the back wheel to grease the drive line, I noticed a nail in the tire. Their was plenty of rubber on it and it rode fine, but when I checked the date code it said 2014. The Elite 3 was notorious for cupping (wavy wear).
We have a great bike shop in Corpus Christi that know bikes well and they said the Elite 4 was a far superior tire to the 3. They also pointed me the the shop a block away that mounts mc tires and knows the amount of beads to put in it for balance.
You can put your bike on the center stand, check for good clearance of the back tire to the ground, put it in first gear while running at idle and see if your wheel is running true.
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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by DannyB » Tue May 14, 2019 7:58 am

Okay thanks. I will give that a try. Calling the bike shop today to see if Dunlop '4' is available up here (Canada).Appreciate your help!

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by Elmobile » Tue May 14, 2019 9:20 am

The noise comes from uneven wear of the tire. The Elite 3 is known for cupping at your mileage. 3 oz of bead will help a lot with this kind of wears...
I would have put an Avon but instead when to Austone on my rig.

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by newday777 » Tue May 14, 2019 9:29 am

What is the age of your E3s? Most likely over 5 years old. Time to get new tires.

Your tires cup because of a dent in the steering race which gives a loose spot in the torque of the steering bearings. Replace them with a new set of Allballs tapered bearings, properly torqued with the castle socket and torque wrench. This is the only fix for cupped tires.
DannyB wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 5:32 pm
Howdy folks...have a 2000 GW 1500...rear tire is a Dunlop Elite 3 160/80 B16 75H
Only 13,000 KM on it. running 42 psi
Noticing a bad wavy/warpage on 'both' sidewalls, and can hear a woh, woh, woh, sound when I'm cornering, leaning either way.
Any idea what may be causing this? Don't think I hit any huge potholes to knock out the balance.
Anyone recommend a better tire? Been running Dunlop elites on last 4 Wings...
Appreciate the responsed.

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by DannyB » Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 am

Thank you newday777....purchased in 2013..only 13,000 km (8000 miles) on them ...I will have them check out the bearings as well.

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by newday777 » Tue May 14, 2019 10:07 am

DannyB wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 am
Thank you newday777....purchased in 2013..only 13,000 km (8000 miles) on them ...I will have them check out the bearings as well.
They could have been old when you purchased them. Check the date code on your tires.
Do not just have them check your steering bearings. You need new tapered bearngs put in.

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by DannyB » Tue May 14, 2019 10:15 am

Thank you ..I will check that out!!!
When you purchase from a Honda dealer, should I be asking for your 'most recent' tire off the shelf ???

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by newday777 » Tue May 14, 2019 10:30 am

DannyB wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:15 am
Thank you ..I will check that out!!!
When you purchase from a Honda dealer, should I be asking for your 'most recent' tire off the shelf ???
Look at the link I posted. Learn how to read the date codes and check them yourself. If you are a low mileage rider, as appears in your post, 1 year old tires will give you 4 years of service life. The older it is the shorter the service life you'll get out of them. Inspect the dates before they are put on.
Too many stealers out there try to pawn off old tires and say they are fine to use. Yes, if you go through a set every year.
Rubber gets slippery after 5 years. Do you want slippery tires under you?

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by DannyB » Tue May 14, 2019 11:28 am

Good point !! Just phoned the shop & getting a Dunlop '4' MT put on...Told him about the date thing...he says they don't stay on the shelf that long around here!!!

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by Elmobile » Wed May 15, 2019 7:45 am

Just wanted to point out that most manufacturers recommend a 10 years life span based on the DOT date. Service life from the time the tire is mounted on a rim, is anywhere from 5 to 6 years.
Check the manufacturer web site and you should find the correct info for your tire.
There is 2 main factors affecting the aging of the tires: Exposure to ozone and UV. If a bike is stored inside in a cool building, even for a while, UV is not an issue. Ozone is and you will see small cracks on the side wall. This may allow dampness to reach the textile belts underneath and compromise their integrity. It is very difficult to appreciate the level of damage to these belts without Xray... Most radial tire have only one of them, making them more sensitive to ozone/UV degradation. So any cuts or damages to them should mandate a tire replacement.
Wax is one component in most compound rubber. It has the bad behavior to migrate to the surface of the tire. It does take a long time but when it reaches the outside, it's NOT good. Slippery is an understatement... So no doubt, if a tire has survived 10 years in the sun, the ozone in the air and any others possible mechanical damages, change it... :D
Should also mention that many bikes spent a lot of time stored resting on the side stand. Its weight will put an "imprint" on the tires which no amount of beads nor balancing will overcome.

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Re: Rear tire excess wear

Post by DannyB » Wed May 15, 2019 9:01 am

Thanks Elmobile….great info...appreciate it !



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