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Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:35 am



I've checked the link in the manual section here off and on for several months and it seems like the manual has been unavailable the entire time. It is every time I check. At least for the 2017 model, 61MCA66. I called just a few minutes ago to try and order the one for only up to 2016, 61MCA65, to see if they had one of those and they don't. Is there anywhere else to get one? I've looked on ebay and there doesn't appear to be anything there either. Anyone that listed one now says they are unavailable.

On a side note, the person I spoke with at Helm seemed quite annoyed and unhappy to be there. The phone tree told me to identify whether I was a licensed dealer or not and I selected #2 for not a licensed dealer. It then routed me to a person that asked me the same question. I said I am not and that was why I selected #2. She said she had no idea what #2 was. I'm not getting a good feeling about this and yeah, I know I can be a butthead sometimes. Especially when people annoy me. She then asks me about year make and model and I tell her 2016 Honda Goldwing. Then she asks me which one. I said the manual is for all versions, but was intrigued, so I asked for clarification. She then asked if it was an 1100, 1200, 1500, or 1800. I had a feeling. SMH I said 1800 and then she told me they were out of owners manuals, to which I replied I didn't ask for an owners manual. In fact, I hadn't been asked which manual I wanted to buy and I hadn't told her yet.

It was a useless call and if I didn't want a service manual wouldn't ever deal with them again. This is the only place to get one from?


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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:39 pm

You can order them from a Honda dealer, but all manuals ultimately come from Helm. However, a Honda warehouse may have one, but probably not. I believe they've been on bo for a while, so all Honda warehouses are probably out of them.

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Post by Rambozo » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:35 pm

You should have asked for the one for that elusive 2016 GL1100. They are extremely rare, you know. ;)

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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by Andy Cote » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:57 pm

Check this link:

http://www.service-shop-repair-manual.c ... anual-etm/

2012-2017 Honda Gold Wing GL1800 / GL1800A Part# 61MCA66 service shop repair manual + ETM

Your Price: $89.00
Brand: Honda
Condition: New
Weight: 7.00 LBS
Rating: ( 4 product reviews )
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:47 pm

Andy Cote wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:57 pm
Check this link:

http://www.service-shop-repair-manual.c ... anual-etm/

2012-2017 Honda Gold Wing GL1800 / GL1800A Part# 61MCA66 service shop repair manual + ETM

Your Price: $89.00
Brand: Honda
Condition: New
Weight: 7.00 LBS
Rating: ( 4 product reviews )
Availability: ships within 24 hours
Awesome!!!

It's on it's way. Well, maybe tomorrow it's on it's way, but it's been paid for. They just gotta pack it up and ship it.

Thank you!
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:09 pm

It arrived today! I feel a bit like Steve Martin in The Jerk when the new phones books arrived.

Let the reading begin. Although, I'm going to have to pace myself unlike when I first found this forum and spent several nights after work reading into the wee hours when I should have been sleeping.

Also, in its pristine condition I'm considering starting to scan it into multiple pdf files. Has anyone done or tried that yet?

Aww, just took the wrapping off and it has some kind of binding and no actual binder holes. I thought all the pages would be loose and they would have the 7 holes ready be place into a 7-ring binder if I had one.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:17 pm

Bump to the top.

My manual arrived without any actual holes to be able to put it in a 7-ring binder if I can find one. It is all bound together.

Has anyone taken theirs apart to punch holes in it to put it in a binder? Or to scan it into a pdf file. I'm wondering how difficult or easy it would be to get apart without damaging the pages.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by Rambozo » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:54 pm

My Honda came in a binder, but I have a Kawasaki that was perfect bound (like a paperback book). I cut the binding off and drilled holes for a 3 ring binder. I had access to a print shop for the special tools, but I'm sure you could get the same done at a local print shop. Once the binding is cut off, you could also have it scanned with a sheet fed scanner. The pdf created will not be searchable, but there are a bunch of OCR software that can fix that. YMMV as to how well that works.

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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:48 pm

Rambozo wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:54 pm
My Honda came in a binder, but I have a Kawasaki that was perfect bound (like a paperback book). I cut the binding off and drilled holes for a 3 ring binder. I had access to a print shop for the special tools, but I'm sure you could get the same done at a local print shop. Once the binding is cut off, you could also have it scanned with a sheet fed scanner. The pdf created will not be searchable, but there are a bunch of OCR software that can fix that. YMMV as to how well that works.
My scanner and software can create a searchable pdf file. My manual has the paperback like binder you describe. That thing is 3-4" thick. It looks like about 1/4" or more would have to be cut off to do the job. A print shop has that kind of tool? Like a band saw or what?

I wonder how big the entire manual would be in pdf format? Anyone?
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Post by Rambozo » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:01 pm

Yeah, you just have to cut off the glue. 1/8" or so will usually do it. A commercial paper cutter has a large knife type blade that slices down at an angle. They can go through 6 inches or more of paper, no problem. A paper drill has thin tubular bits that will make clean holes in thick stacks of paper, and the waste flows up through the hollow tube.
The 94 GL1500 service manual pdf is 35 MB. It all depends on quality settings and compression. You could make it 100 MB or 100 GB or more depending on how you do it.

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Post by C-dub » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:12 pm

Rambozo wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:01 pm
Yeah, you just have to cut off the glue. 1/8" or so will usually do it. A commercial paper cutter has a large knife type blade that slices down at an angle. They can go through 6 inches or more of paper, no problem. A paper drill has thin tubular bits that will make clean holes in thick stacks of paper, and the waste flows up through the hollow tube.
The 94 GL1500 service manual pdf is 35 MB. It all depends on quality settings and compression. You could make it 100 MB or 100 GB or more depending on how you do it.
Great! TYVM

I"ll have to find a suitable ring binder first. Then look for a print shop that can do this. That way I will at least have a binder to put it in before beginning the scanning process. If I get that far I will probably scan the sections into separate files first before attempting the entire manual. I'm pretty sure the entire thing would fit on my kindle. Then I could take it with me anywhere and could set it down next to me easily while working on it in the garage.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:11 pm

I was in Office Depot yesterday checking out binders. I didn't see any 7-ring binders, but found plenty of "heavy duty" 3-ring ones. Since there are no holes in my manual yet I'll probably end up going with just a 3-ring binder. I also asked about getting the current binding cut off and they said they could do that and IIRC it sounded like it would only be about $1.50 to get it done.

They did say they could get it scanned into a searchable pdf file, but IIRC again, their cost to do so was more than the manual. Quite a bit more. So, I think I'll do that myself when it comes time. There are a couple heavy duty hole punches at work and I could probably get the whole thing done in 30 minutes or less. To do it nice and cleanly I would probably only do 20-30 pages at a time. I don't remember what Office Depot's cost to do that was, but haven't made up my mind if I want to get the hole punched before or after scanning yet.
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Oil level checking confusion?

Post by C-dub » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:11 pm

Okay everyone. Tomorrow is the big day. My first oil change on my own with this Wing. I haven't changed my own oil on a bike in 20+ years. I'm also gonna take care of some of those trunk screws and bolts to try and make sure they don't back out on their own.

The confusing part seems to be whether or not to leave my version on the side stand or center stand when checking to level. Draining, the manual says to leave on the side stand to ensure complete and rapid draining. However, once filled it says to support the bike in an upright position. It does not say on the centerstand, so I guess this is a two person activity? That doesn't sound right. Or do I just do that once with assistance and then know where the level is while on the sidestand for future level checks?
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by MikeB » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:08 pm

I have never seen it in the manual to leave the bike on the side stand to drain the oil. I have always done oil changes with the bike on the center stand. So I looked in the Owner's Manual.

Here is what I found:

Drain the Engine Oil:
1. Park your motorcycle on its center stand on a firm, level surface.
2. If the engine is cold, start it and let it idle for 3 – 5 minutes. Turn the engine off. Wait 2 – 3 minutes for the oil to settle.
3. Remove the front lower cover (page 170).
4. Place a drain pan under the engine oil drain bolt.
5. To drain the oil, remove the oil fill cap/dipstick, engine oil drain bolt, and sealing washer.

Install a New Oil Filter:
6. Remove the oil filter with a filter wrench and let the remaining oil drain out. Discard the oil filter in an approved manner (page 223).
7. Pour the drained oil into a suitable container and dispose of it in an approved manner (page 223).
8. Apply a thin coat of engine oil to the rubber seal of a new oil filter.
9. Install the new oil filter and tighten it by hand.
10. Using an oil filter wrench attachment and a torque wrench, tighten the new oil filter to the specified torque: 19 lbf·ft (26 N·m, 2.7 kgf·m)
11.Check the condition of the sealing washer on the engine oil drain bolt. Replace the washer every other time the oil is changed.

Install the engine oil drain bolt and tighten it to the specified torque:
25 lbf·ft (34 N·m, 3.5 kgf·m)

Add Engine Oil:
12. Fill the crankcase with the recommended oil (page 176), approximately: 3.9 US qt (3.7 )
13. Install the oil fill cap/dipstick securely.
14. Start the engine and let it idle for 3 – 5 minutes.
15. Stop the engine and wait 2 – 3 minutes.
16. Check that the oil level is at upper level mark on the dipstick (page 178).
17. Check that there are no oil leaks.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:28 pm

MikeB wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:08 pm
I have never seen it in the manual to leave the bike on the side stand to drain the oil. I have always done oil changes with the bike on the center stand. So I looked in the Owner's Manual.

Here is what I found:

Drain the Engine Oil:
1. Park your motorcycle on its center stand on a firm, level surface.
2. If the engine is cold, start it and let it idle for 3 – 5 minutes. Turn the engine off. Wait 2 – 3 minutes for the oil to settle.
3. Remove the front lower cover (page 170).
4. Place a drain pan under the engine oil drain bolt.
5. To drain the oil, remove the oil fill cap/dipstick, engine oil drain bolt, and sealing washer.

Install a New Oil Filter:
6. Remove the oil filter with a filter wrench and let the remaining oil drain out. Discard the oil filter in an approved manner (page 223).
7. Pour the drained oil into a suitable container and dispose of it in an approved manner (page 223).
8. Apply a thin coat of engine oil to the rubber seal of a new oil filter.
9. Install the new oil filter and tighten it by hand.
10. Using an oil filter wrench attachment and a torque wrench, tighten the new oil filter to the specified torque: 19 lbf·ft (26 N·m, 2.7 kgf·m)
11.Check the condition of the sealing washer on the engine oil drain bolt. Replace the washer every other time the oil is changed.

Install the engine oil drain bolt and tighten it to the specified torque:
25 lbf·ft (34 N·m, 3.5 kgf·m)

Add Engine Oil:
12. Fill the crankcase with the recommended oil (page 176), approximately: 3.9 US qt (3.7 )
13. Install the oil fill cap/dipstick securely.
14. Start the engine and let it idle for 3 – 5 minutes.
15. Stop the engine and wait 2 – 3 minutes.
16. Check that the oil level is at upper level mark on the dipstick (page 178).
17. Check that there are no oil leaks.
My Helm manual is in sections, not total sequentially numbered pages. On 3-13, the maintenance section, under changing the oil filter it says to change the oil with the engine warm and the motorcycle on its side stand. That seems reasonable giving the location of the drain bolt and filter.

My concern is mainly with measuring the oil level. First the manual say to warm it up on the side stand then support the motorcycle in an upright position to measure it. It does not say to place it on the centerstand, which would raise the rear tire off the ground tilting the bike forward. I don’t know how much that would change the measurement on the dipstick, so I don’t know it it would significant or not.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by MikeB » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:01 pm

I have to assume that you mean your Honda Service Manual, not your Helm Manual.
What I listed for you was out of the Owners Manual, not the Honda Service Manual. I hope you have an owner's manual.

Anyway, on pg 3-13 of the Honda Service Manual, I see that it does say to drain the oil while the bike is on the sidestand to insure complete draining. Sounds like a decent way to do it.

Then when it says to fill the crankcase with the recommended oil (pg 3-12). Page 3-12 tells you how to do an oil level check. It is done with the motorcycle on the center stand.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:10 pm

MikeB wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:01 pm
I have to assume that you mean your Honda Service Manual, not your Helm Manual.
What I listed for you was out of the Owners Manual, not the Honda Service Manual. I hope you have an owner's manual.

Anyway, on pg 3-13 of the Honda Service Manual, I see that it does say to drain the oil while the bike is on the sidestand to insure complete draining. Sounds like a decent way to do it.

Then when it says to fill the crankcase with the recommended oil (pg 3-12). Page 3-12 tells you how to do an oil level check. It is done with the motorcycle on the center stand.
Thanks Mike.

It is not a Helm manual. I forgot that I got it from a different link Andy Cote provided. It is the Honda Service manual. The problem is that on page 3-12 it does not say on the centerstand. It says supported in an upright position and doesn't mention the centerstand. Does yours say centerstand? If it does, I wonder if this is a difference in versions and when you purchased yours. Since I recently purchased mine it includes 2012-2017 model years.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by MikeB » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:21 pm

All I can say is...


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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:35 pm

MikeB wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:21 pm
All I can say is...
I can explain it to you.jpg
I'm sorry and do thank you for your patience. I would much rather check the level while on the centerstand. That makes more sense. It does not make sense that our two manuals are worded slightly different. Now, I'm also confident in your greater experience with the Wing and if you haven't had any issues with overheating measuring this on the centerstand that neither should I.

I was hoping to resolve the apparent difference in our manuals.

Like Charlie1Hourse says regarding those that say it can't be done and getting out of the way of those that are doing it, I would like to be one of those doing as much of it as I can, while learning from those doing more of it.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by Andy Cote » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:24 pm

So I have the bound version of the 2012-2017 Service Manual and Electrical Troubleshooting Guide. No copyright date. I also have the loose leaf 2012-2013 Service Manual copyright 2013. I compared pages 3-12, 3-13 and 3-14. They are absolutely identical. There is no difference between my two manuals.

In the section on checking the oil it says to use the centerstand except on the AC/CM models. For those models, hold the bike upright. This applies to the F6B standard that does not have a centerstand. I'll rephrase. Check oil while on centerstand if so equipped otherwise hold bike upright. This is doable by one person while straddling the bike if you need to.

But...……...fugetaboutit.

Warm it up. 50 to 100 miles should do it.
Remove oil fill plug.
Remove belly pan or just forward section of two piece style, if so equipped.
Drain oil while on side stand or centerstand. Doesn't really matter.
Remove oil filter - you do NOT need to remove the cowl to do this.
Reinstall drain plug. A new crush washer may be used or not.
Install new filter.
Add 4 quarts of oil.
Reinstall belly pan.
Anything drain on the floor? If not, go for a short check ride. 200 miles should be about right.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by MikeB » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:44 pm

C-dub,
I'm not convinced that there are any differences in our two manuals.
Granted, the Honda Owner's Manual and the Honda Service Manual differ in some degree but they are written for different audiences, service techs versus owner operators.

For clarification purposes, a picture is usually worth a thougand words. Here are pictures of the 2012 - 2017 Honda Service Manual pages 13-12, 13-13, 13-14 and 13-15..




Next, a picture of the Honda Owner's Manual for my 2017 GL1800 pages 178 and 179.


Please compare these pictures to your manuals.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by Andy Cote » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:54 pm

MikeB wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:44 pm
C-dub,
I'm not convinced that there are any differences in our two manuals.
Granted, the Honda Owner's Manual and the Honda Service Manual differ in some degree but they are written for different audiences, service techs versus owner operators.

For clarification purposes, a picture is usually worth a thougand words. Here are pictures of the 2012 - 2017 Honda Service Manual pages 13-12, 13-13, 13-14 and 13-15..
Next, a picture of the Honda Owner's Manual for my 2017 GL1800 pages 178 and 179.
Please compare these pictures to your manuals.
identical
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:50 pm

always put it on the Center Stand, drain oil, new filter, refill.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by C-dub » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:31 am

Holy smokes guys! I thought, would have hoped, I had a better understanding of the English language and technical manuals that it appears I have. :oops:

When going back over this it appears the root of my confusion is in which model I have. I did not dig deep enough and thought I have an AC model, when in fact it seems I have an VIIA model. I saw the part where it says that A,AC = USA and must have thought that was it and I had an AC model.

Now, the even sadder part is that waking up at 0400 and looking at this all over again I have better comprehension than I did yesterday in the early evening. Once a morning person always a morning person, I guess.

I'm really sorry for dragging you guys through this.
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Re: Service Manual - anywhere besides Helm?

Post by my2009wing » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:31 pm

Andy Cote wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:57 pm
Check this link:

http://www.service-shop-repair-manual.c ... anual-etm/

2012-2017 Honda Gold Wing GL1800 / GL1800A Part# 61MCA66 service shop repair manual + ETM

Your Price: $89.00
Brand: Honda
Condition: New
Weight: 7.00 LBS
Rating: ( 4 product reviews )
Availability: ships within 24 hours
Just an FYI for those reading this thread. This link will offer a pirated copy of the official Honda Service Manual that is only supplied to Honda by Helm. It is a good copy for text and the associated diagrams are ok, but the pictures are not clear. If you ever tried photo copying a photograph, you will know what I mean. You can get away with it and it will do the job, but the extra few dollars spent on the real Helm manual is definitely worth it in my opinion. The pictures are important in these manuals, and the Helm manuals pictures are much better for detail.



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