Lost a washer, O.M.G.!


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Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by tim.kyfl » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:02 pm



This evening I was installing the carburetor assy. The manifold bolts were left in place after removal for easy finding and storage. I needed to remove them again in order to push the assembly through and install. As I removed the right rear bolt , I heard the washer go plink, plink. I am 99.0% sure it fell into the cylinder head opening. It also appears the valve is open. Cannot see the washer. Am I going to have to remove the cylinder head an get to the piston to retrieve it? Any chance to cross fingers and continue?



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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by DenverWinger » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:53 pm

See if you can find one of those little probes like a telescoping antenna rod with a magnet on then end.

First try the probe in the intake port, the washer may not have gone past the valve. If you don't find it there......

Then tip the bike over onto the opposite side of where the washer is so that the piston with the washer is upward. The washer should fall against the piston. Turn the crank so the piston is mid-stroke. Laying the bike on its side won't hurt anything, especially with the carbs off.

You should be able to fish out the washer with the magnet tipped probe thru the sparkplug hole, pretty sure the washer is smaller than the hole. You can confirm that easy enough with a washer you haven't lost. Turning the crank slightly to move the piston up or down may aid in you getting that washer with the magnet.

Gonna be fun, the magnet will want to stick to the cylinder walls, but it should grab the washer too.
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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by tim.kyfl » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:09 pm

WOW. That sounds near impossible, but, is a probable. I would think if the washer is magnetic and the head is magnetic, it would not slide around. I'm in the weeds aren't I?

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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by DenverWinger » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:23 pm

No, the washer isn't magnetic, so it won't stick anywhere, it'll slide just fine. And since the washer is steel, a magnet will grab it... And the head and piston are aluminum, not steel.
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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by tim.kyfl » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:39 pm

You seem determined on this course of action and it's the best i've got. It appears no one else wants to touch this one. The laying on the side is the worst. This things heavy. Will search for a magnetic doo-dad. Know what i need.
Thank you.

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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by Charlie1Horse » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:16 pm

There's no problem about laying it down. Go to youtube.com and search 'pick up goldwing' you'll see little girls pick them up. It's really not hard at all. I am 68 and pick mine up every now and then. Not bad, even for us 'old guys'. It's just embarrassing, that's the worst part.
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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by tim.kyfl » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:18 pm

I am a 68 y.o. After it dumped me 3 times while dying in a tight turn while feathering the clutch, I have picked it up. Its that I would rather not. It's heavy. Reason for the carb and general internal cleaning. Hoping a "snake" type magnetic retrieval device can be worked around without having to do that.

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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by Charlie1Horse » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:55 pm

Well, it's just my thought that if I had dropped a small washer down the intake, I would rather lay it over than pull intake manifolds and heads off to retrieve the washer, just my thought cause I'm kind of lazy. I don't want to do more work than is necessary. You could get a little dowel magnet and glue a short piece of it in the end of a small diameter vacuum hose. Then take the spark plugs out on the affected side, turn the engine over slowly,BY HAND, to push the washer out to the spark plug hole and possibly fish it out with the magnet. It would be worth a try. I would get a small 'bore scope' camera and look all around the top of the engine and find that possibly it didn't fall in the intake. Just my thoughts.
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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by DenverWinger » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:36 am

If you can find a flexible "snake" retriever with a magnetic tip you might have success finding that washer without tipping the bike.

The point of tipping the bike it to get the washer away from the head, the angle of the sparkplug hole kinda prevents you from reaching anything right next to the head.

With the bike laying over you can be pretty sure anything in the cylinder will be at the bottom of the cylinder bore right against the piston, a lot easier to find "blind".

Have a riding buddy come by and help you lay it over.
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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by tim.kyfl » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:10 am

I found a snake on Amazon. Walmart,Lowes and the auto stores do not stock them locally. Not much available locally, though they are building a Harbor Freight. Can't wait that long.
Thanks guys

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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by tim.kyfl » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:33 pm

So, my magnetic snake arrived today. Dropped it into the cylinder and within 2 minutes snagged it.
OH NO. THE WASHER IS BIGGER THAN THE OPENING!
Everyone chillax. Since the valve was open and I knew where the washer lay, I probed through it, and, retrieved it on the third try.
WHEW! I had been a little sour since I dropped it in.
Thanks again guys

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Re: Lost a washer, O.M.G.!

Post by DenverWinger » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:04 pm

Glad to hear of a good outcome! :D


♫ 99 Little Bugs in the Code, ♪
♪ 99 Bugs in the Code. ♫ :(
♫ Take one down, Patch it around, ♪
♫ 127 Little Bugs in the Code. ♫ ♪ :shock:

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