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Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:15 pm



My 90 minute job is in hour 6 now.... Much of that time was spent fighting getting the shifter arm off the spined post coming out of the gear box. For some reason I didn't have enough clearance between the shaft end and the cycle frame to get it out, fought it for hours getting out and back in after new seal was installed. Also I found out when I took out the bolt that holds the engine guard to frame that the nut that's welded to the frames for mounting was broken off. So I'm putting it back together now and when I tighten everything down the shifter doesn't come back easily. I loosened the connecting bolt a little and it works perfectly. Wondering if I should try it like this or if I need a shim washer like I see others have done. Also wonder if the brace will work right without the mounting bolt being welded to the frame. Seems good now but I realize it might change when heated up.


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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:51 pm

If I understand correctly you are talking about the nut on the frame where the engine guard is bolted.
If it is broken, you can replace it with a insert nut like below without welding.
You normally will need a special tool to install it, but you can install it with the method in the video below as well.


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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:34 pm


Crash bars are way out from frame.
Crash bars are way out from frame.

Couldn't put cover over shifter support. Had to take off support for now. Will have to get back to this when I have more time.... And patience.
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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by modou » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:25 pm

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Also you can get the shift pivot to sit flatter or closer to 90 degrees up against the engine guard if you place 1 or 2 washers behind the shift pivot. Make sure they are smaller in diameter and half the thickness than the one that shipped with the pivot to get a flush flat surface. The sand paper is also key 400 and 1600 or 1800 grade. You can use the 400 grade in the shift pivot hole and the little pin shaft on the device itself to smooth out all the points of contact. Do turn and hold the pivot clockwise while tightening to keep the shaft @ 90 degrees. Trim the panel down as close as you can get it especially in the curved part at the bottom of the panel. Then adjust the tension accordingly on the bolt to prevent binding... I struggled like H3LL with this so I am definitely willing to help ANYONE to pay it forward!...

***P.S. Install the front engine guard bolt before setting and tightening the shift pivot as to NOT throw off the the angel and offset from 90 degrees***
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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:17 pm

Thanks for the replies. Yes the mounting bolt broke off from the frame but I don't see how the riveted threaded nut would work. Possibly the nut could be rewelded on the frame but I'm sure I would at least have to remove the crash bars to get a decent view of it. I actually got the brace on and working pretty well just using the crash bar with the nut on the back. Was going to try it like that but the cover wouldn't go over the brace because it was out farther on the shaft then it would have been if it was tight to the frame. Probably almost a half inch. So for now it's off. I have some friends who weld so somewhere down the road if like to get this done. It felt great when it was on. Eliminated the grinding I have when going into fourth.
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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:19 am

Bogey1963 wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:17 pm
Thanks for the replies. Yes the mounting bolt broke off from the frame but I don't see how the riveted threaded nut would work. Possibly the nut could be rewelded on the frame but I'm sure I would at least have to remove the crash bars to get a decent view of it. I actually got the brace on and working pretty well just using the crash bar with the nut on the back. Was going to try it like that but the cover wouldn't go over the brace because it was out farther on the shaft then it would have been if it was tight to the frame. Probably almost a half inch. So for now it's off. I have some friends who weld so somewhere down the road if like to get this done. It felt great when it was on. Eliminated the grinding I have when going into fourth.
When installing the brace on mine, I had broken the nut because I had used a longer bolt.
After examining, I had figured out that, as the longer bolt touched the frame behind, it started pulling the nut out of the welded points and finally broke off.

As a solution, I used an insert nut shown in the picture above.

To install the insert nut, remove the nut broken and insert it into the hole, then tighten the nut with the method shown above, as you tighten the nut it will start to expand behind the hole and will be as rigid as original nut.
Rewelding is another option off course but, it will require more work, care and equipment in my opinion.

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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:17 pm

Ah, Erdaniz I see what you mean now. I didn't realize there was a hole there. I just thought the nut was welded to the frame. I will see about doing that. It's back together now so will have to wait until I have time off again. Thank you!
Bikes I've owned....69' Honda 350, 75?' Suzuki 400, 78'? Honda 750 Hondamatic, 82'? Yamaha Virago 750, 79' Kawasaki 650, 79' Goldwing 1000, 90' Goldwing GL1500
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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:22 pm

Found this. The inserts I have are 3/8's. Is that what the bolt is? Did you have to drill the hole bigger on frame? Says a drill size to use on this. Made the rubber cover just now. Not sure if I'll zip tie it on or use sheet metal screws.
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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:43 am

You had installed the rivet nut incorrectly on the tool in the picture.
The head should stay outside of the hole, and as you tighten the nut, it will expand behind the hole.

The hole should be 8mm in width if I am not mistaken, which is 5/16". When you remove the engine guard you can verify it correctly.

Here is the picture of the frame to give you a better idea. The nut will be installed on the bracket shown with the number 5 in the picture.
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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:20 am

Thanks Erdaniz, I haven't got back to this yet. I need to go get the right inserts. I have 3/8 and 5/16 but not the metric one this bolt is. Do you know what size I need. I'll take bolt to store when I look. Hopefully get this done soon.
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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:53 am

Bogey1963 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:20 am
Thanks Erdaniz, I haven't got back to this yet. I need to go get the right inserts. I have 3/8 and 5/16 but not the metric one this bolt is. Do you know what size I need. I'll take bolt to store when I look. Hopefully get this done soon.
Actually you don't need to use a metric one. After installing a non metric insert nut, you can use the bolt accordingly.
I think a 5/16 insert nut and a bolt will be ok.

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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:07 pm

Ok, going to try a 5/16 when I get back to this.
Bikes I've owned....69' Honda 350, 75?' Suzuki 400, 78'? Honda 750 Hondamatic, 82'? Yamaha Virago 750, 79' Kawasaki 650, 79' Goldwing 1000, 90' Goldwing GL1500
And I did own a Harley once....3 wheels and it carried my golf clubs.... :mrgreen:

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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:32 pm

Well I took it apart again. Insert isn't going to work. The mount is broke so either I get it welded or forget it.
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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:01 pm

I think the welding is the only solution in this case.

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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:48 am

A friend welded this up for me. Have the shifter support in now and it seems to be working!
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Bikes I've owned....69' Honda 350, 75?' Suzuki 400, 78'? Honda 750 Hondamatic, 82'? Yamaha Virago 750, 79' Kawasaki 650, 79' Goldwing 1000, 90' Goldwing GL1500
And I did own a Harley once....3 wheels and it carried my golf clubs.... :mrgreen:

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Re: Shifter support questions

Post by Bogey1963 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:01 am

Took a 20 minute ride this morning. Noticably better. I had a grind going into 4th and although it's not as hard a shift as other gears it's not grinding now. I'll have to get my friend something nice for all the time he took to weld that up for me! Really did a nice job!
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Bikes I've owned....69' Honda 350, 75?' Suzuki 400, 78'? Honda 750 Hondamatic, 82'? Yamaha Virago 750, 79' Kawasaki 650, 79' Goldwing 1000, 90' Goldwing GL1500
And I did own a Harley once....3 wheels and it carried my golf clubs.... :mrgreen:

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