Clutch wont fully disengage


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Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by slackerdk » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:38 am



Hi Folks,

New to this forum and new to the GL 1000. But not new to fixing bikes though ;)

I have a question i hope you can help with.
My clutch wont disengage ( Pulls forward with clutch leaver fully in)

The previous owner changed the clutch cable and on the test run it was able to disengage but it was slipping a little bit at higher revs.
So I decided to adjust the cable today and must have messed up.

So I released all cable tensioners (Leaver and on right side of engine.
Then I removed clutch plate on back of engine. I loosened the lock nut and screwed the adjuster all the way in and 3/4 turn back as per manual. Tightened the lock nut while holding counter with a screw driver

But when I tighten the cable and have the appropriate slip in the leaver grip at the ball end, the clutch does not fully disengange when pulled.

I have tried letting the adjuster screw be all the way in, 0.5 turn out and 1 full turn out but same result.
I have also tried having the bike on center stand and reving to 2000rpms in 1.st and the "slamming" the brake.

Im at the end off my ideas. only thing i can think off is changing oil, but not really sure if its far fetched.

Any you smart people have any ideas or can see from the above where I messed up?
Thank you very much in advance for you answers!!

Have a great day.

BR
Steffen



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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by virgilmobile » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:13 am

Sounds like you did everything right.
More details may be needed to verify but it kinda sounds like the cam is worn.
The part that the lever operates the push pin to disengage the clutch.The lever on the engine.
When the lever is operated,a cam pushes the pin into the clutchpack to separate it.Ill look for specs asap. Ant post a picture.

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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by virgilmobile » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:38 am

Ok. The pushrod is moved by a plate with 3 bearings set in it.Rotate the plate and it operates the pushrod...Inspect this part...
Before you do..Remove the clutch lever and inspect the pivot pin for wear..The lever may not be pulling the cable far enough if the pivot pin is wallered out.
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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by slackerdk » Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:57 pm

virgilmobile wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:38 am
Ok. The pushrod is moved by a plate with 3 bearings set in it.Rotate the plate and it operates the pushrod...Inspect this part...
Before you do..Remove the clutch lever and inspect the pivot pin for wear..The lever may not be pulling the cable far enough if the pivot pin is wallered out.
Hi Virgil,
Thanks so much for taking the time to answer!
I just need to be sure before testing.
By clutch lever you mean the lever that sits at the engine end of the clutch cable right?
When i pull the clutch it activates the little spring loaded lever in the clutch service housing. When pulling/turning clockwise from the pulling the lock nut/adjustment screw is being pulled away from engine/clutch.
From how I read you messages it should be pushing it in towards engine/clutch instead? If thats the case something seems too have jumped out of alignment/a groove.

Thanks!!!!
Br
Steffen

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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by virgilmobile » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:11 pm

It's hard to describe it's actual movement and I am going from memory on mine 15 years ago.
Push pin..pull pin...whatever..I just guess that the mechanism that moves the pin MAY not be moving it far enough to disengage the clutch.
OR the clutch lever isn't pulling the cable as far as it's supposed to.
Somebody HELP!!!

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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by slackerdk » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:06 am

virgilmobile wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:11 pm
It's hard to describe it's actual movement and I am going from memory on mine 15 years ago.
Push pin..pull pin...whatever..I just guess that the mechanism that moves the pin MAY not be moving it far enough to disengage the clutch.
OR the clutch lever isn't pulling the cable as far as it's supposed to.
Somebody HELP!!!
Once again, thank you for your help. It is much appreciated!!
I know it is hard to diagnose when not being able to see or fell whats going on.
I will try and take it apart again today and inspect the rod and lever.
Thank you!!

Br Steffen

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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by virgilmobile » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:15 am

Before you tear it apart.Pull the clutch lever and look at the position of the lever on the engine.Tie wrap the clutch lever to the grip and see if you can move the lever on the engine a bit more.Id call that the cable pull distance.It may be not enough to disengage the clutch.

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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by slackerdk » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:59 am

virgilmobile wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:15 am
Before you tear it apart.Pull the clutch lever and look at the position of the lever on the engine.Tie wrap the clutch lever to the grip and see if you can move the lever on the engine a bit more.Id call that the cable pull distance.It may be not enough to disengage the clutch.
Good trick!!
Im heading out to test as soon as it stops raining again.
Thanks again for your help!

BR
Steffen

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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by virgilmobile » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:20 am

I'd hate to think that there's something wrong in the clutch pack.
I do remember one on a dirt bike I had that the clutch lever was bent (after a mishap) and it didn't allow much cable movement.
Does your lever look like it's the same distance from the grip as the brake lever?Does it feel firm as you pull it with just a bit of free space at the beginning an have a smooth stroke to the grip(about 4") travel at the end?
The clutch should release about 3/4 of the way through the stroke.
Do check all the external stuff first.
Keep us posted.

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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by virgilmobile » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:23 am

I saw a video on Google Search (Goldwing Gl1000 clutch plate lifter).
He shows about the movement of the lever on the engine.
I'll keep looking.

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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by virgilmobile » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:53 pm

Here more info.The picture shows the parts that make the clutch disengage when the lever (on the engine) is moved.
#6 backing plate has a #9 assemble wit 3 bearings in it.They rest in the "cam" clutch lifter divots.When it moves,it pushes the bearings out of the divots and moves the clutch release.
I suspect that can see the movement on the "adjuster" you set to 3/4 turn out.Unsure how much it would move but if I had to guess...maybe 5-10mm.



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Re: Clutch wont fully disengage

Post by slackerdk » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:53 am

virgilmobile wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:15 am
Before you tear it apart.Pull the clutch lever and look at the position of the lever on the engine.Tie wrap the clutch lever to the grip and see if you can move the lever on the engine a bit more.Id call that the cable pull distance.It may be not enough to disengage the clutch.
Finally the weather broke and i had a chance to test you trick.
I was not able to move the lever any further unfortunately.

I pulled the cover off and looked at the mechanism on the back side. It seem like the ball bearing (triangle) plate gets stuck in the grooves. When helped or turned to horizontal it moves better.
I made this little video that better shows whats going on.
Does this seem normal to you?
Once again thank you so much for you help so far!!





Br
Steffen



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