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balance beads

Post by Jetfighter3 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:19 pm



So I have been watching youtube on balance beads ( never used them or herd of them until now) and it seems quite easy but the question I have is : I plan on going to the dark side on the rear wheel and in some of the video's on youtube there are guys using AIR SOFT bb's with success on their cars and truck's. so my question is , since I'm putting a car tire on my MC wouldn't the same apply? ( using AIR SOFT bb's ) Has any one tried this combo on their bike? if so let me know or your thoughts on it, thanks.



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Re: balance beads

Post by bluthundr31 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:57 pm

Only "glitch" I see is, I believe there is a problem putting the AirSoft BB's through the valve stem because they are larger that the ID of the valve stem. If I am right, that will mean that you will need to "break a bead" on the tire and slip them in between the rim and the tire.

I haven't heard of a problem with using the CT on the rear with beads. Keep us updated on your progress.

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Re: balance beads

Post by hugger-4641 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:48 pm

I'm using the Austone Taxi tire on mine with 3oz of dyna beads. Got about 10k miles on it with no problems so far. Even with the dyna beads, I didn't feel like trying get 3oz of beads through the valve stem, so I broke the bead loose on one side, inserted a short piece of pvc pipe and put the beads in through that.

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Re: balance beads

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:15 pm

I used 3oz of Dyna Beads in my Michelin Primacy Alpin RF ZP tire.

never had a problem with them, tire ran smooth as glass.

I am now using an E4 to try it out for a while, to see what the hoopla is about, it has 2 oz of Dyna Beads.

Just used the supplied applicator and ran then in thru the valve stem, piece of cake.
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Re: balance beads

Post by Jetfighter3 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:32 pm

bluthundr31 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:57 pm
Only "glitch" I see is, I believe there is a problem putting the AirSoft BB's through the valve stem because they are larger that the ID of the valve stem. If I am right, that will mean that you will need to "break a bead" on the tire and slip them in between the rim and the tire.

I haven't heard of a problem with using the CT on the rear with beads. Keep us updated on your progress.
yes you do have to add the airsoft bb's when mounting the tire,they wont go through the stem but they also wont make their way up into the valve stem.

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Re: balance beads

Post by Jetfighter3 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:40 pm

hugger-4641 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:48 pm
I'm using the Austone Taxi tire on mine with 3oz of dyna beads. Got about 10k miles on it with no problems so far. Even with the dyna beads, I didn't feel like trying get 3oz of beads through the valve stem, so I broke the bead loose on one side, inserted a short piece of pvc pipe and put the beads in through that.
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I hear its hard to get ahold of the Auston tire, where did you get yours?

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Re: balance beads

Post by Jetfighter3 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:59 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:15 pm
I used 3oz of Dyna Beads in my Michelin Primacy Alpin RF ZP tire.

never had a problem with them, tire ran smooth as glass.

I am now using an E4 to try it out for a while, to see what the hoopla is about, it has 2 oz of Dyna Beads.

Just used the supplied applicator and ran then in thru the valve stem, piece of cake.
where did you find the auston tire? I underestand they are hard to come by.

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Re: balance beads

Post by Jetfighter3 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:25 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:15 pm
I used 3oz of Dyna Beads in my Michelin Primacy Alpin RF ZP tire.

never had a problem with them, tire ran smooth as glass.

I am now using an E4 to try it out for a while, to see what the hoopla is about, it has 2 oz of Dyna Beads.

Just used the supplied applicator and ran then in thru the valve stem, piece of cake.
What was the tire size you used for the michelin primacy,and what year bike was it?

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Re: balance beads

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:46 am

for the last 2 posts above this one.

I have never owned an Austone tire, even when I owned my two previous gl1500s.

My current bike is the GL1800 in my Avatar, and the CT that I used on it for almost 3 years was this one:
Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3 195/55/16 RF ZP

and this was in my Notebook for the 1800's rear wheel info:

Rear Wheel Lug Nut Torque 80 ft. lbs. Breaker bar, 19 MM socket
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Re: balance beads

Post by Jetfighter3 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:54 pm

Thank you for your help, much appreciated. Do you think the tire you use on your 1800 would also fit my 93 1500? Also is the tire you are using taller,shorter or the same height as the stock MC tire ?

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Re: balance beads

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:49 pm

Jetfighter3 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Thank you for your help, much appreciated. Do you think the tire you use on your 1800 would also fit my 93 1500? Also is the tire you are using taller,shorter or the same height as the stock MC tire ?
No, it will not.
the CT was not all that different in circumference than the MC tire.
The speedo error was about 1 mph at 65-70 IIRC.

the 1500's swing arm will not clear the CTs that are used on 1800s.
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Re: balance beads

Post by CrystalPistol » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:46 pm

bluthundr31 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:57 pm
Only "glitch" I see is, I believe there is a problem putting the AirSoft BB's through the valve stem because they are larger that the ID of the valve stem. If I am right, that will mean that you will need to "break a bead" on the tire and slip them in between the rim and the tire.

I haven't heard of a problem with using the CT on the rear with beads. Keep us updated on your progress.
I use Air-Soft Red-Jacket .22 cal hard plastic BBs by weight, I pour them in through a funnel between bead & rim at mount up. They stay until next time I replace the tire, then I either vacuum them out with small hose wand or just leave in tire & scoop out once off the rim. If you want them spotless, rinse and then reuse. I just reuse.
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Re: balance beads

Post by hugger-4641 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:01 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:49 pm
Jetfighter3 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Thank you for your help, much appreciated. Do you think the tire you use on your 1800 would also fit my 93 1500? Also is the tire you are using taller,shorter or the same height as the stock MC tire ?
No, it will not.
the CT was not all that different in circumference than the MC tire.
The speedo error was about 1 mph at 65-70 IIRC.

the 1500's swing arm will not clear the CTs that are used on 1800s.
Should not be any speedo error. The speedo is connected to front wheel, not rear.

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Re: balance beads

Post by hugger-4641 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:20 pm

Jetfighter3 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:59 pm
AZgl1800 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:15 pm
I used 3oz of Dyna Beads in my Michelin Primacy Alpin RF ZP tire.

never had a problem with them, tire ran smooth as glass.

I am now using an E4 to try it out for a while, to see what the hoopla is about, it has 2 oz of Dyna Beads.

Just used the supplied applicator and ran then in thru the valve stem, piece of cake.
where did you find the auston tire? I underestand they are hard to come by.
I bought them online from a place called universal tire, but they don't seem to have them now.

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Re: balance beads

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:37 pm

hugger-4641 wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:01 pm
AZgl1800 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:49 pm
Jetfighter3 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Thank you for your help, much appreciated. Do you think the tire you use on your 1800 would also fit my 93 1500? Also is the tire you are using taller,shorter or the same height as the stock MC tire ?
No, it will not.
the CT was not all that different in circumference than the MC tire.
The speedo error was about 1 mph at 65-70 IIRC.

the 1500's swing arm will not clear the CTs that are used on 1800s.
Should not be any speedo error. The speedo is connected to front wheel, not rear.
he asked about my bike, which is an 1800, the speedo info is off the tailshaft, not the front wheel.

I explicitly said I never used a CT or an austone on a 1500.
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Re: balance beads

Post by CrystalPistol » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:07 am

Now …… now I am curious.

Buddy of mine and I were talking today and this very subject came up, he said he throws the same 5 golf balls in his GL's tires every time he mounts up a new one. I knew some truck operators do it, never heard of it being done with a MC tire. If the BBs & "balance beads" can find balance, I guess 5 golf balls could too. My grandpa used to fill the big tractor tires with liquid, it always road pretty smooth on the black top in high gear with throttle up. Even clothing in a dryer will try to balance the drum, but they often aren't free to moved so freely.

Hell, I might even try it myself. First though, I'll need to go to the store and get some cheap golf balls. 8 or 10 should do the rear tires of the trike, 4 or 5 in each at next tire change. I'd try it in the trike's front tire except it's near new Avon radial trike tire, and I'm gonna need 2 rear P215/70-15 tires sooner (already shopping around for the right look).
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Re: balance beads

Post by CrystalPistol » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:36 am

OK … I did some further research, seems golf balls canor have been known to have some detrimental effects on a tire's inner surface. Maybe my buddy never looked closely at his? So
I can safely say that I am not gonna do the golf balls.
I'll just stick with my Air Soft Red-Jacket 22cal hard plastic BBs where I know they work
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and I know they don't tear up or abrade the inside of the tire.


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