Bluetooth communication - keep it simple


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Bluetooth communication - keep it simple

Post by dadiam » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:14 pm



I am on my 4th Gold Wing, a 2015 Anniversary in Red and Black. Previous were '77, '98, '04.

We "cut the cord" about 4 years ago, and have been missing a lot of functionality since then. I am a software engineer who loves to tinker, and have tried to wire together several items to give us the "total" package we had with the original Gold Wing internal system, but it has eluded me. We have the CardoG9x, and purchased a third unit that I have wired into the Gold WIng's system, but it is still lacking, and not really working well. I have looked at other systems, but it looks like after spending over $1000, we would still not have all the functionality and ease of the original onboard system.

The audio system on the Bike has:
1. CB - all the friends we ride with also have CBs for Bike-Bike commo. Also very nice to talk with truckers to find out why the road is closed and better routes around traffic.
2. Music (AM/FM/WB/Aux) I have an old iPod in the trunk that I can control the sound remotely through the GW system. I also can use my phone.
3. Private intercom between me and my wife (rider and passenger)
4. Really nice features that mute other sounds when talking; ability to control sound as speed increases, etc.

All, in all, I really cannot complain about the Gold Wing's system except for it's reliance on the ^&#*$^ cord.

What we REALLY want is very simple, and I fail understand why it is so difficult to create. I simply want a way to send signals between the bike and the helmets via Bluetooth (or other means). This does not need to have any functionality other than to send the output from the bike to the speakers in the helmet, and from the mic in the helmets to the input in the bike. Nothing more is needed.

Why is this so hard to do? I am really ready to hang up the whole BT thing and go back to the cords, but REALLY do not want to. The only time cords are an issue is when getting on and off (and during torrential rain) The problems with BT are all the time. We also carried spares with us, and never had the battery run out, even though we charge the units every night. The sound with the BT IS a bit better, but not really worth the hassle.

If there is something that fits this need, PLEASE let me know!


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Re: Bluetooth communication - keep it simple

Post by rickygilbert » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:23 pm

Nulaxy KM series.. I love the KM24 KM 28 and now KM30... work so well, gives you blue tooth everything and pipes through your standard internal Gold wing Systems

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Re: Bluetooth communication - keep it simple

Post by Andy Cote » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:05 am

rickygilbert wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:23 pm
Nulaxy KM series.. I love the KM24 KM 28 and now KM30... work so well, gives you blue tooth everything and pipes through your standard internal Gold wing Systems
Welcome to the forum. Where are you from?

Could you please supply some additional details on why you recommend this system?
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Re: Bluetooth communication - keep it simple

Post by 2003Cobra » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:25 am

What we REALLY want is very simple, and I fail understand why it is so difficult to create. I simply want a way to send signals between the bike and the helmets via Bluetooth (or other means). This does not need to have any functionality other than to send the output from the bike to the speakers in the helmet, and from the mic in the helmets to the input in the bike. Nothing more is needed.

Why is this so hard to do? I am really ready to hang up the whole BT thing and go back to the cords, but REALLY do not want to. The only time cords are an issue is when getting on and off (and during torrential rain) The problems with BT are all the time. We also carried spares with us, and never had the battery run out, even though we charge the units every night. The sound with the BT IS a bit better, but not really worth the hassle.
It sounds to me like all you need it the Freewire from Sena. I have the Sena 20S connected to the Freewire and I'm able to talk and listen on the CB, Listen on the Radio, CD, AUX with no problem. I have my Freewire plugged into the pwr supply in the left fairing pocket and the Freewire connected to the front Headset connection. What is nice is that if the unit is off and you switch your bike on the unit powers up.

The one big down side to the Freewire is that it requires a Sena head set which raises the cost of owner ship.
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Re: Bluetooth communication - keep it simple

Post by dadiam » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:54 pm

rickygilbert wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:23 pm
Nulaxy KM series.. I love the KM24 KM 28 and now KM30... work so well, gives you blue tooth everything and pipes through your standard internal Gold wing Systems
These are adapters for cars - not for bikes.
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Re: Bluetooth communication - keep it simple

Post by dadiam » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:55 pm

I have looked into this, and you are right - the cost goes up significantly. But, if that is what it takes, then maybe I need to look at it again.

Thank You!


2003Cobra wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:25 am
What we REALLY want is very simple, and I fail understand why it is so difficult to create. I simply want a way to send signals between the bike and the helmets via Bluetooth (or other means). This does not need to have any functionality other than to send the output from the bike to the speakers in the helmet, and from the mic in the helmets to the input in the bike. Nothing more is needed.

Why is this so hard to do? I am really ready to hang up the whole BT thing and go back to the cords, but REALLY do not want to. The only time cords are an issue is when getting on and off (and during torrential rain) The problems with BT are all the time. We also carried spares with us, and never had the battery run out, even though we charge the units every night. The sound with the BT IS a bit better, but not really worth the hassle.
It sounds to me like all you need it the Freewire from Sena. I have the Sena 20S connected to the Freewire and I'm able to talk and listen on the CB, Listen on the Radio, CD, AUX with no problem. I have my Freewire plugged into the pwr supply in the left fairing pocket and the Freewire connected to the front Headset connection. What is nice is that if the unit is off and you switch your bike on the unit powers up.

The one big down side to the Freewire is that it requires a Sena head set which raises the cost of owner ship.
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Re: Bluetooth communication - keep it simple

Post by kwthom » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:36 am

dadiam wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:14 pm
What we REALLY want is very simple, and I fail understand why it is so difficult to create. I simply want a way to send signals between the bike and the helmets via Bluetooth (or other means). This does not need to have any functionality other than to send the output from the bike to the speakers in the helmet, and from the mic in the helmets to the input in the bike. Nothing more is needed.

Why is this so hard to do? I am really ready to hang up the whole BT thing and go back to the cords, but REALLY do not want to. The only time cords are an issue is when getting on and off (and during torrential rain) The problems with BT are all the time. We also carried spares with us, and never had the battery run out, even though we charge the units every night. The sound with the BT IS a bit better, but not really worth the hassle.
Simple is going in one direction, but you want bi-directional audio - and that's where it gets complex!

The previous poster mentioned a Freewire. By the way I'm looking at it, you'll need *two* Freewire units - one for rider, one for passenger, in order to do what you're looking to do. One of the reasons why I've not rid myself of cords at this time.

You mentioned a Cardo branded helmet unit. Well, some Cardo systems may or may not play well with Sena systems - and that's done intentionally. Sadly, Cardo doesn't make a 'Freewire' device that I know of.

Any modifications made to the audio system on a Goldwing is a kludge, plain and simple. Some of them are elegant, many of them are less so.

You might consider contacting the folks at https://sierra-mc.com
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Re: Bluetooth communication - keep it simple

Post by baumedagn » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:26 pm

Check with Sena on the compatibility of your current headsets. I don't believe the headsets have to be Sena to pair with the Freewire.



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